$20 - 88 in CO

black666 · #1 08-15-2007, 03:29 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG (t8715)
UTG+1 (t8600)
MP1 (t4580)
MP2 (t11992)
MP3 (t3520)
Hero (t12705)
Button (t5825)
SB (t7595)
BB (t10960)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises to t750, 2 folds, BB raises to t1200, Hero calls t450.

Flop: (t2575) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t1500, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t4075

I think I played this hand bad. I hate being in the CO ... nobody thinks you have a hand and you have no clue where you are at once you get raised. Also the minraise kind of tilts me..

Sherman · #2 08-15-2007, 03:38 PM

I think this is fine. You are deep enough that you really don't want to commit to this pot PF or on the flop. Folding is good here.

trangers · #3 08-15-2007, 03:52 PM

You called for set value, right? Minraise is whats worrisome here. Didnt get the set, plus the two clubs on the flop may mean that the 8c isnt an out.

Seems standard. Good fold.

Sherman · #4 08-15-2007, 03:55 PM

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the two clubs on the flop may mean that the 8c isnt an out.

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This certainly isn't true. It somewhat unlikely that the BB has two clubs in his hand. That being said, we still don't have the right odds to draw to a two outer.

BlueEcho · #5 08-15-2007, 03:59 PM

I really don't think with 42bbs there is another way to play it that's better.

black666 · #6 08-15-2007, 06:18 PM

How about a re-re-raise PF? I'm raising from the CO, so I can be fos. I guess his range here is 22+, AT+. So villain is either trying to not lose me with the minraise because he has a monster, or take the pot away without taking too much risk

BlueEcho · #7 08-15-2007, 06:29 PM

Yeah but since you don't know what his min raise means (obv you have no read on it) the best mode would be to call and set mine.

If you have a read that villian might be doing this lightly then ok I see making a 4bet. The problem I see with doing that though is what happens if villian just calls? On most flops you are lost for an action. I'm not the best deep stack player but this seems to be putting alot of your stack at risk with 88. Where you can set mine and possibly stack opponent for alot less trouble.

Sherman · #8 08-15-2007, 07:59 PM

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How about a re-re-raise PF? I'm raising from the CO, so I can be fos. I guess his range here is 22+, AT+. So villain is either trying to not lose me with the minraise because he has a monster, or take the pot away without taking too much risk

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Re-raise to what? A/I? 1/2 your stack? I don't like re-raising at all. It commits you to a pot where you aren't sure if you want to be committed or not.

The only re-raise that seems reasonable is shoving. For that, we have some easy calcuations. What is he 3-betting with and what does he call a shove with? With those ranges we can easily figure out if shoving is +EV.

Sherman · #9 08-15-2007, 08:14 PM

Ok, I think I have this right.

Let's keep your range for him for 3-betting. Let's say he calls your shove with AK,JJ+.

That means he folds to your shove 71% of the time.

So you win 2100 71% of the time uncontested for an EV of 1494.23.

The other 39% of the time, you have .3328 equity against his range. That means you win (.39 * .3328 = ~10%) the pot of 21620 about 10% of the time for an EV of 2075.52. The other 19% of the time you lose the post of 21620 for an EV of -4161.02.

Added together these total to an EV of -591.27. So yeah, I think shoving is bad. Maybe if we can get JJ to fold it might be closer.

Sherman