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#13
07-09-2006, 05:35 PM
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Re: I learn by screwing up (a lesson shared)
I donīt understand why you are beating yourself up over this. Villains most likely holding (since he folded)were absolutely nothing. Unless you had a read that villain would push river no matter what, I think a turn push after his cr is most likely to get all the money in the middle.
A more passive line can backfire because if he is drawing the turn is the place to get all the money in. Pushing the river after you raise to 7.2$ would still be an overbet and you have now shown strength twice. 
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#14
07-09-2006, 05:37 PM
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Re: I learn by screwing up (a lesson shared)
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[ QUOTE ] Is he really bad enough to call a flop raise with middle pair? [/ QUOTE ] If that's what Pokey is arguing, then I don't agree. [/ QUOTE ] No this is nothing to do with Pokey's post, it's just that the only thing greg beats is trip eights or a bluff.
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#15
07-09-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: I learn by screwing up (a lesson shared)
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Is he really bad enough to call a flop raise with middle pair? [/ QUOTE ] OP said: "Big blind is a loose, slightly aggressive and not very savvy player." At a $25NL site, I can see players calling this flop bet with A8, and minraising the turn when they hit trips with top kicker. This could also be something like A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] that's feeling confident, or an overpair, or something of the sort. In any case, I still think a three-bet REALLY tips your hat, so you might as well get it all-in against a villain who tricks himself into thinking he could improve to a winner, rather than giving him a small bet that he calls and letting the fish go when the river misses him. As I said in my first post, however, I also like a call and raise-push on the river, depending on exactly what KIND of opponent we're dealing with. Grunch correctly points out that a check-minraise is a power move; we might as well trust that he's got a hand he likes and let him put all his money in the middle on the river, springing our trap for a small raise that he'll feel pot-committed into calling.
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#16
07-09-2006, 07:13 PM
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thanks for the comments: results
Thanks for all the thoughtful comments.
I may well be beating myself up over this one. I didn't get stacked. Villian folds to my turn push, and I'm left with the strong feeling that I could have gotten more out of him. Oh well. I will still contend that I did not play this hand optimally by push 3-betting. Only I have been convinced by Pokey's line: call the turn and push raise the river if bet into. The only question is what I do if checked to on the river (I'm thinking pot it).
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#18
07-09-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: I learn by screwing up (a lesson shared)
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[ QUOTE ] Is he really bad enough to call a flop raise with middle pair? [/ QUOTE ] Yeppers. [/ QUOTE ] In that case it's probably not that important what line you take, he's calling with 8x and the times you miss value when he's semi-bluffing a draw or just going berserk are balanced by the times you loose action when a spade hits. And he might even call a push with a draw. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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