24+2: AK down to two tables.

[tomek322]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t5000/t10000
(Ante: t1000)
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t367171
UTG+1: t138204
MP1: t300877
MP2: t97326
CO: t276938
Button: t88306
SB: t222006
Hero: t347573

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to t30000</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t90000</font>, CO calls t60000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t123000)</font>.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t193000, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero ???</font>

[BrandiFan]

Shoving pre isn't a big mistake if any. Shove flop, he has a pot sized stack.

[ZenMusician]

2/3 pot, fold to aggression?

I sometimes check here, but usually only if I know villain
will only tend to bet made hands...not just letting
him take us off the overs he may suspect we have?

We did 3-bet, however, so I hate checking, especially
OOP...so let's find out if he likes his hand with a
larger-than avg probe bet?

-ZEN

[tomek322]

[ QUOTE ]
2/3 pot, fold to aggression?

I sometimes check here, but usually only if I know villain
will only tend to bet made hands...not just letting
him take us off the overs he may suspect we have?

We did 3-bet, however, so I hate checking, especially
OOP...so let's find out if he likes his hand with a
larger-than avg probe bet?

-ZEN

[/ QUOTE ]

Bet 120k and fold for another 60k?

[BrandiFan]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
2/3 pot, fold to aggression?

I sometimes check here, but usually only if I know villain
will only tend to bet made hands...not just letting
him take us off the overs he may suspect we have?

We did 3-bet, however, so I hate checking, especially
OOP...so let's find out if he likes his hand with a
larger-than avg probe bet?

-ZEN

[/ QUOTE ]

Bet 120k and fold for another 60k?

[/ QUOTE ]No. He obv misread op.

[ZenMusician]

O Jesus...I promise not to post until after 5 coffees,
perhaps not at all [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

sry

-ZEN

[Jesuitical]

I usually just shove pre, but this is a pretty sexy way to play it actually. Most of the time you have 25% equity if you're called (you would only need 33% equity to call if he shoved given his stack size), you take it down on the flop some of the time without making a hand and if you a flop a pair with A-K you get value out of worse hands sometimes. Of course shoving pre gets it in as a huge favorite against A-Q some of the time, especially if he thinks you're not giving a CO raise much credit, but I definitely like the former (go-and-go?) if he's a tighter player.

[Coz]

I like shoving this pre because it widens our range. We could be doing it with a wide range of hands like 66+, AT+ or something like that therefore we get values our of worse hand. Just raising lets us get outdrawn on flop, but it also kind of simulates more strength since an observant opponent may view it as a strong move because we didn't shove. Having said this I would bet about 1/2 the pot, and I am in a rush so if we are not committed fold to a raise, if commited then obviously call.

[tomek322]

I bet 140k... he shoved I obv called the 40+k.

He showed QTs, 8 on the turn, GG.

As long as I didn't get a bunch of c/f' I don't mind the way I played this hand.

In hind sight given his hand I guess shoving was best. But I think I would have strongly considered. Folding to a 4-bet.

[BrandiFan]

Bet-folding this flop is very bad, so just bet enough to cover him.
edit: folding to 4 bet is bad too. These donks will 4 bet AQ and TT frequently enough that even if they never 4 bet light you have plenty of equity.