Late in a Daily Double (FTP), JJ and a big stack.

[Dave D]

There's probably about 40-50 left in one of the Daily Doubles. Normally I wouldn't have a problem playing this, but over about 20 hands villian has been very tight, only showing like KK once. What's my flop line? I think the turn is a pretty obvious fold as now even AK caught up.

He's also raising OOP, another danger sign.


Seat 2: PurpleBomb (52,132)
Seat 3: Rtaylor86 (99,757)
Seat 4: Battyjeep (21,312)
Seat 5: DaytonaD (155,812)
Seat 6: dsmith6704 (25,553)
Seat 8: dogling (100,765)
Seat 9: o mother muc (84,934)

PurpleBomb posts the small blind of 1,500
Rtaylor86 posts the big blind of 3,000
The button is in seat #1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dogling [Jh Js]

1 fold
DaytonaD raises to 9,000
1 fold
dogling calls 9,000
3 folds

*** FLOP *** [9d 8s 8c] Pot: ~24,000

DaytonaD bets 12,000
dogling calls 12,000

*** TURN *** [9d 8s 8c] [Ah]

DaytonaD bets 21,000

[wannabe2]

only hand you are beating is 1010...
as much as i hate it.. i think it is a fold..

are you still in both tournaments too? thats a factor in my decision

[gtpitch]

Does anyone like a 3 bet preflop here? That would at least give you an opportunity to tighten villains range a little more. 20 hands is a pretty small sample size and the fact that he has shown only KK may only mean he has a been a little card dead for a few orbits. You may catch him raising with QJs or KQs something like that and he folds to a 3 bet. On that flop you are beating a lot more hands than TT. Depending on his range you are beating 77,TT,AJ+,KJ+. I agree that as played the turn is a definite fold. I think I would've liked to see a 3 bet preflop.

[EroTheMad]

On flop JJ has little equity against TT+,AQo+,AQs+.
I like raising on the flop in these kind of situations. Otherwise you can't know where you stand. With FE raise on flop is good idea i think. But raising here pretty commits us on the hand. I think our flop move depends on villain. Does he doublebarrel? Or cbet on flop? On turn? That turn A really hurts. Tough spot. But still i think raise on flop is good. Dangerous but even if we think his range is TT+,AQ+ our flop raise is +EV.

[JammyDodga]

3-bet pre, raise flop?

[wannabe2]

im probably 3 betting preflop that is the best option imo

[Mench]

3 bet pre next time. as played turn is a fold but flop should be a raise.

[jchauvin]

If you fold the turn this is perfect.

edit: [censored] 6 handed... agreed with 3bet. ~30,000 preflop

[Dave D]

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If you fold the turn this is perfect.

edit: [censored] 6 handed... agreed with 3bet. ~30,000 preflop

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That's pretty much 30% of my stack. I'm obligated to call a push then aren't I? If so, why not push myself and get called by AK?

FWIW I had placed in the other tournament at like 140 or so.

[jchauvin]

yeah you have to call a shove. i think 6 handed with JJ you get it in fairly happily. Probably TT maybe 99 and AQ come into his shoving range, hands that would fold to a 3bet in a 9 handed game imo.

if he has ak what's the difference between 30k and shoving isnt it all going in anyway?