12/180 : 88 with M~9 facing 5xbb from UTG...

MVPaul · #1 11-20-2007, 09:55 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 (t1875)
Hero (t1325)
MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t1290)
CO (t395)
Button (t570)
SB (t2025)
BB (t2805)
UTG (t1710)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t500, 1 fold, Hero?

I'm thinking borderline push...

jchauvin · #2 11-20-2007, 10:05 PM

1) you have no FE
2) utg 5x raise
3) people behind you

definite fold

snazzy · #3 11-20-2007, 10:14 PM

I don't really understand the 5-6x raises that people seem to make at these blind levels, making it a third of their stacks. I haven't figured out what they mean - I think they are mid/high PP (88-QQ) and high aces that they are scared to play post-flop? Anyone know?

I don't think you have any FE here, and if my guess of what these raises mean is correct, I would probably fold and look for a pot to open.

(P.S. I'm still figuring these MTT out and there's a good chance I don't know what I'm talking about).

ssnyc · #4 11-20-2007, 10:16 PM

push...this is AJ or KQ always and you need to win races in turbos

EroTheMad · #5 11-20-2007, 10:32 PM

Wow. I love the brutal shove power of 2+2 players but i don't like 88 in this spot. That big raise looks like AK or TT,JJ to me, it has some kind of weakness, but it could be AJ like ssync said. I'd fold here.

homanga · #6 11-21-2007, 01:06 AM

This is strong way to often to consider shove.

CoolWave · #7 11-21-2007, 03:57 AM

i like to fold here. thinking coinflip or worse most of the time

timhardawyhatesu · #8 11-21-2007, 04:19 AM

I dont like shoving here at all. I think we are looking at a bigger pair here a majority of the time.

SuperUberBob · #9 11-21-2007, 05:08 AM

Well, we're either racing or we're dominated and there's no way we can induce a fold from UTG.

All signs point to fold.

Unphased · #10 11-21-2007, 05:46 AM

When I don't know what to do, I usually push... but that usually only applies when I feel I have some fold equity, and you don't here. You have much more equity just push botting with this stack then sticking it in here. Fold and push when it folds to you with 90% of hands.