$16s- 25/50, 2 hands shoving over multiple limpers

[Kevin8423]

Anyone not like playing this way against multiple limpers? It's at a level that I am guessing many people just raise (or with AQ even limp) but I think that shoving over and sometimes getting called by hands you dominate is the best move here instead of raising and losing chips (200-250 atleast) when you miss the flop.

Hand 1:

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1140)
UTG+1 (t1545)
MP1 (t1430)
MP2 (t1465)
Hero (t1475)
CO (t1263)
Button (t1565)
SB (t2424)
BB (t1193)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, MP2 calls t50, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1475 (All-in)</font>

Hand 2:

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2360)
UTG+1 (t1670)
MP1 (t2740)
CO (t1330)
Hero (t1320)
SB (t2580)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, CO calls t50, <font color="red">Hero raises to t1320 (All-in)</font>

[Heavens_Myst]

wow i dont know if i like either of these..

i definitely fold hand one.. we have AQ and we haven't even seen the action of the other 4 players.

hand two.. AK, i don't mind getting all in pf at this level, but i really think a raise 200-225 is better. if you miss the flop you can still take it down a good portion of the time with a cont bet unless its multiway then you might be spewing.

I dunno, hand 1 i fold, hand 2 your way is logically good but i think you still want to make the play that will get you the most chips, and i don't know any hands where you aren't either dominated or in a coinflip with.. i'd rather see a flop and the opportunity to get it in ahead.

[Kevin8423]

From what I've seen if I raise up to 225-250 I will fairly often have multiple callers and I hate having AK go to the flop with more than two players, missing my hand then having to just check/fold. Not to mention even if you get heads up the pot is now enormous.. probably 600+ so a cbet is like half of your remaining stack.

Even with AQ I think its fine, they are generally limping trash here, if they really wanna flip with a small PP oh well, they usually fold them and its not the end of the world anyway when they call.

[Heavens_Myst]

I don't understand though, what hands do see flops with? do you do this with JJ+ too? if there are 2 limpers and you have JJ do you raise it to 200 or push? if you get called at 200, if a A/K/Q flops do you check/fold ?

You play higher than me so I don't profess anything, I'm just curious as to what hands you're collecting chips with before push/fold stage.

[Kevin8423]

JJ I would raise, check/folding bad flops with multiple callers and c-betting some flops heads up.

Its somewhat rare to see these spots, being in MP or LP and having a bunch of limpers before you. Often you raise before limpers or with only one or something so your raise can be smaller. Here your raise must be so large that I think you are better off raising and taking down the smaller pot (occasionally flipping or dominating some Ax hand that decides to call) than raising and often having to c-bet for your whole stack.

With the AQ I would never fold, I think limping is pretty standard but I'm getting tired of people limping whatever trash they get dealt, I think I take down this pot more often than I take down a pot when I see a flop limping and people are like never limping big hands to trap now and usually aren't calling with small PPs.

Again I'm only doing this because my stack is too small to raise and c-bet comfortably, and because there are a ton of limpers.

[Heavens_Myst]

have you had good results with open pushing aq/ak? what percentage of hands are you dominating an Ax, % seeing aa/kk, and % flipping?

[Kevin8423]

These are pretty much the only times I have done it so I don't really have a sample to look at, but I think I like it in very similar spots, with less limpers I would never be pushing here though.

[mmorpg]

First one I think you need to fold. There are too many players behind you. Second hand I like a lot.

[TwistedEcho]

I really don't mind either.

[LayZ]

I like this play too. Too often if you make a std raise with AK you'll get callers, cbet when you miss, get called, and you've invested 1/3rd of your stack in the early going in a pot you're not going to win. Plus with AK donks often call with hands we're crushing.