$16s - 25/50, QQ.. lost in these spots

Kevin8423 · #1 05-22-2007, 01:25 AM

How else can I play this?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3110)
UTG+1 (t1390)
MP1 (t1340)
MP2 (t1020)
MP3 (t1445)
CO (t1420)
Button (t1105)
Hero (t1460)
BB (t1210)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t50, Hero raises to t250, BB folds, UTG folds, Button calls t200

Flop: (t625) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets t250, Hero calls t250

Turn: (t1125) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: (t1125) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

holdem17 · #2 05-22-2007, 02:09 AM

Either as played or C/R the flop. 250 seems weak at a 625 pot

Kevin8423 · #3 05-22-2007, 02:13 AM

Is it fine to just get it in here, preferrably with a check/raise to get more chips all the time?

holdem17 · #4 05-22-2007, 02:24 AM

I mean you've got fold equity. If he bet 350+ I would doubt you had any fold equity. With some fold equity and 11 outs. He could also have a hand like JJ or TT here with a flush draw as well. I don't think its terrible to get it in or play as you did.

RexWoo · #5 05-22-2007, 02:47 AM

Don't get it in.

The call on the flop is OK because you have the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and his bet is weak. Otherwise I fould fold.

Guizones · #6 05-22-2007, 02:52 AM

I would lead the flop instead of checking, you have plenty of outs if you are losing. And if you don't bet you can't have better decisions after...
In this spot if he bets big the turn I don't see you calling here, but if he raises the flop you will know you're beat (unless he can bluff in this spot) at this point.
Lead the flop... IMO

holdem17 · #7 05-22-2007, 03:08 AM

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I would lead the flop instead of checking, you have plenty of outs if you are losing. And if you don't bet you can't have better decisions after...
In this spot if he bets big the turn I don't see you calling here, but if he raises the flop you will know you're beat (unless he can bluff in this spot) at this point.
Lead the flop... IMO

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So what are you betting here? If you bet anything reasonable it would seem to be a bad play to bet/fold.

I think
AI >> bet/call >> bet/fold

I still think a C/R , C/C , or C/F is better depending on the size of the bet.

RexWoo · #8 05-22-2007, 03:43 AM

Betting this flop is bad.

Guizones · #9 05-22-2007, 10:46 AM

Yeah tuff spot. Maybe I would follow with an 350 bet...

What do you guys think about the size of the pre-flop raise?
Maybe it's too big given that probably the button just wanted to see to flop and you don't want him to fold, plus you are OOP post-flop... anyone can help? Thanks

cardworm · #10 05-22-2007, 10:58 AM

I like the flop check call because of the Qh.U are getting good drawuing odds and may get a free card on the turn.
Check raising with 11 outs is reasonable but I believe a little bit worse than your line.
Leading out is the worst option by far because it comitts u to the pot and offers less fold equity when behind than the check raise.