dumb flop spot - ftp 10/20

lapoker17 · #1 04-21-2007, 03:43 PM

villain is the_dal_kid who i have at 30/16 over 300 hands, which makes him seem like a maniac compared to the other 15/10 regs. i actually think he seems kind of tough.
we've only played 2 sessions and i've been very tight if he's paying attention - i made what was obviously a big laydown a few minutes ago against someone else.

i have 2400 he has 2k.

he opens to 70 in CO, i rr to 240 w kk no club from SB.

flop A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot 497)

i ck he bets 375 i fold.

so whatever, who cares i guess, but i was thinking about it, and i'm pretty sure he's betting like 95% of his range here - does that seem off? i don't like leading and i hate ck/calling, but does anyone ck raise this? i think it's pretty sweet. doesn't he fold better? maybe even /call w worse? i mean, if he calls any turn pretty much blows, but i don't know.

i would absolutely play a big hand like this against him, but maybe that's only because i would get paid off since it looks weird.

thabadguy · #2 04-21-2007, 03:56 PM

What do u have his weighted range as?
Cuz i dont think he folds anything better except maybe weak aces here.
As for calling worse.QQc/JJc might call ur cr..thats pretty much it i think .
I think a lead here gets called by a lot worse. The only problem is your lead will be raised by a pair+big club type hand a decent amount.
I dont read pt stats so i dont really know what 30/16 means.

thabadguy · #3 04-21-2007, 03:59 PM

Oh and since when did the GREAT LAPOKER17 start using pt?

aejones · #4 04-21-2007, 04:25 PM

the reason you would play a big hand like this is the reason you should play a not so big hand in an entirely different way

i would c-bet this flop a lot because if you check you always look like you are giving up since you would so rarely (percievably) play a big hand slow on this board in a 3-bet pot.

My standard with air would be to bet and fold to more action- my experience is that people don't [censored] around with floating on wet boards/

king_of_drafts · #5 04-21-2007, 04:28 PM

c-bet or check/raise because of same stuff AEjones said

lapoker17 · #6 04-21-2007, 04:42 PM

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the reason you would play a big hand like this is the reason you should play a not so big hand in an entirely different way

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in any tougher game, this is wrong as an absolute. it should depend entirely on what levels you think are at work.

lapoker17 · #7 04-21-2007, 04:43 PM

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c-bet or check/raise because of same stuff AEjones said

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this is inconsistent given what he said, no?

aejones · #8 04-21-2007, 04:49 PM

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the reason you would play a big hand like this is the reason you should play a not so big hand in an entirely different way

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in any tougher game, this is wrong as an absolute. it should depend entirely on what levels you think are at work.

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obviously it's not an absolute, there just are few or none in poker in general- however, i don't think the dal kid is too good at all from my experience with him (albeit at 400-600 prob ~6 months ago). that is, i think a tricky line would fool him and be good to have him pay you off; basically i'm just reiterating that if you want to win this hand, you should bet the flop becuase a c-bet should get good respect on this board.

but obviously oyu know what level he's on in this game more than we do

lapoker17 · #9 04-21-2007, 05:12 PM

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i don't think the dal kid is too good at all from my experience with him (albeit at 400-600 prob ~6 months ago).

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eh, yeah, i just played with him again. i think you are closer to correct.

king_of_drafts · #10 04-21-2007, 05:14 PM

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c-bet or check/raise because of same stuff AEjones said

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this is inconsistent given what he said, no?

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Actually, I didn't understand the first thing AE said, so who knows.

I just don't think this is a board you get played back at on much, and while check/folding is fine sometimes, I much prefer leading and occasionally check/raising (both essentially as bluffs) to be your usual line, rather than just "leaving your children out there" on a board where villain could easily be just as scared.