What the smartest Vegas poker boss will do.

[pig4bill]

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Midstakes NL games with very low caps would never last in Vegas IMO.

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Disagree. An under-performing room with foot traffic and enough players to start games (but not enough to go to capacity) would do well with something even more extreme than the LA fixed/spread buy games.

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You mean sort of like the Luxor had? That was pretty much a flop as I understand it.

Most of the players in Vegas are tourists. Most of the players in LA are not. I think most tourists don't want to pay for a jackpot they have almost no chance to win. I certainly don't.

Food comps? Meh. Most tourists don't even know there are comps, so it certainly doesn't affect their choice of casinos to play in. Comps cost the casino money, so if they raise their comps, they have to pay for it somehow. If one casino raises comps and it's successful in increaisng it's market share, everyone will follow. End result - no advantage for that casino, yet they have to pay for those comps somehow - likely through a raised rake.

As a Vegas tourist, I just want them to keep it simple. Give me a decent place to play, no comps needed other than maybe a poker rate, no jackpot, no gimmicks.

[RR]

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it doesn't cost them quite as much because it doesn't cost them 3 dollars when you spend 3 dollars (unless its 3 dollars you would have spent anyway). if you use 15 dollars on a buffet you wouldn't have gone too anyway, that 15 dollars cost them 4-5 dollars.

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I am aware of some $15 buffets that cost the poker room over $20 when you use a comp there. The buffet is used to attract people so the casino takes an actual lost on it, but when it is comped they charge the comping department what it cost them per person to put out the buffet. This isn't a typical nasty buffet, but when casinos do a sea food buffet they often take a small loss on it to bring people in the door.

[Dynasty]

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IIRC, the Wynn does have 9-handed tables.


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The Mirage and Caesars Palace are also nine-handed.

[Eder]

I think a 2-5 $100 max would be hilarious/entertaining/fun for us tourists.
I dont care about comps playing poker there...free drinks are comps enough.
I think these short buy in tables should disallow mp3 players/cell phones at any time/and absolutely no bottles of water at the table...(hoodies and sunglasses should be welcomed and encouraged)

[jmc999]

10 handed tables aren't always 10 handed. People like to get up and go for walks all the time in live play.

[DeadMoneyWalking]

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1. Move from 10-handed tables to 9-handed. More hands per hour, and more action per hand. Short handed games play faster and looser. 9-handed isn't much shorter or faster, but since when do suits not want small benefits?


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won't really make a difference.

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2. Switch from deep-stack to mid-stack or small-stack NL. IOW, switch to LA-style NL. 5/10 with $500 buy-ins. Much more action, much more fun. I don't think anyone in Vegas spreads games like this.


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You might have trouble getting a short-stacked 5/10 game going. Most 5/10 regulars in Vegas are set on the deep stacks at Wynn/B

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3. Jackpot, NL seperate pool. Some Vegas joints offer this. All but the B should.

4. Free food. Or, $3/hr comp rate. Be GENEROUS to your customers. Make them feel like kings while they're losing to you. Every penny you save them, you get anyway. They're almost all playing to the extent of their disposable income, so a dollar you save them on food is one more dollar they have to play with.


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Do customers really follow those things that carefully? Some Vegas regulars might go for 4. but you would have a tough time pitching it to the casino management.

[Spook]

I like the 3 dollar an hour idea, but I think that it should only apply as a credit to a persons hotel room bill.

[jjshabado]

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I like the 3 dollar an hour idea, but I think that it should only apply as a credit to a persons hotel room bill.

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Actually thats kind of an interesting idea. Give an extra comp dollar or two that can only be applied to hotel rooms.

[EWillers]

I remember seein' an ad in Card Player recently for a $40 min/max buy in NL game at the Stratosphere. I assume it was 1/2NL?

Haven't even ever played there tho. Don't knonw if it caught on or even still exists.

[n.s.]

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I agree with #1 and who can argue with #4.
#2/#3 I totally disagree with.

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You sir, are the nit that OP mentioned in his post. We've been instructed to ignore you.