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Old 08-05-2007, 12:06 PM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

i was new to the table, and didn't have any hands on utg. i had hands on a couple of the others, and they were fairly fishy.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $12.35
Hero (BB): $11.50
UTG: $10.40
MP: $6.25
CO: $4.35
BTN: $6.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.30</font>, MP calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $11.50</font>, 5 folds

what are my other options here?

i could raise, but if i get, say, 2 callers, i'm going to be in a huge pot oop with JJ where no one is going to fold anything that they like on the flop.

i could check, but that seems like kind of a waste since i probably have the best hand.

i figured pushing was best since there was already 15% of a buyin on the table. do you think this is correct on my part?
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

why u going all in? I'd just hit pot then add a little more.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

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why u going all in? I'd just hit pot then add a little more.

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if i get 2 calllers, there's going to be something like $8+ in the pot on the flop (6+ with 1), and i'll be sitting there with 9 behind oop wondering if i'm ahead or not. i didn't really like the thought of that much.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

I really doubt you get 2 callers for $2.50, if you do the pot is over $8 and u have a pot sized bet left, pretty easy to play imo.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:16 PM
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I really doubt you get 2 callers for $2.50, if you do the pot is over $8 and u have a pot sized bet left, pretty easy to play imo.

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isn't it better to just move in pf than to autopush the flop oop though?
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

PUSHING is bad and will only get called by hands that have you crushed or sometimes AK...A large 3 bet will accomplish the same thing as a push and give op leaway to re-eval if some one wakes up with a hand a shoves it in PF...
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

you don't HAVE to auto push the flop... most of them you will though. By pushing you let them play good.. they are gonna fold everything you beat except MAYBE 10's, and you're going to get called by QQ+ and probably AK.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

zzz just make a PSB and then shove the flop if it is +EV (which it will often be)
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: JJ turbosqueeze. dumb?

if someone other than utg comes over the top of a pf3bet, i would probably call it anyway though. i would have a hard time buying someone cold calling into a big multiway with QQ+. if someone does have AK or QQ+ and just calls me, AK probably has an advantage over me on the flop, and QQ+ probably isn't folding.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:24 PM
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you don't HAVE to auto push the flop... most of them you will though. By pushing you let them play good.. they are gonna fold everything you beat except MAYBE 10's, and you're going to get called by QQ+ and probably AK.

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won't i usually only get called by hands that beat JJ on the flop also, though?
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