NL100 - how to extract maximum value with JTos on JT5 rainbow flop

[Stepping Stone]

I didn't want to give Villain a free card here, so I bet out on the flop; could I have bet differently after his raise to extract more value?

What range would a random Villain have here (5th hand at table, so I have no reads other than him only having $49 on the table)? Correct to discount possibility of set?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($100)
MP ($220.10)
Button ($49)
SB ($101.10)
BB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button calls $3</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($7.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $12</font>, ???

[Tempel]

Given stacksize you could prob just shove flop, if he has 55 you have to pay him of with your top two. And i dont see him folding for $36 here unless he's got air. He'll have J-A / J-K most of the time. If he had 55 he prob just wouldve called you and made his move on the turn with his stacksize.

[JFsports]

Make it 25 or so and shove the turn

[plzbenice]

its pretty much never correct to discount a hand completely and i dont see why youd wanna do it here.
seems mor elike a beginner read in the same theme as i put him on AK because i have pocket sixes and cant beat AA.

a lot play 555 like this.

so put him on acomplete range and act occordingly.

if he has 555 u go broke though.

depending on image i might 3bet flop but calla nd lead turn might b better since 3betting flop might push him off a lot of Jx. a lot of straight draws out there though.

[plzbenice]

oh eyah see stacks now just push

[Stepping Stone]

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Make it 25 or so and shove the turn

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once i match his raise, the pot is $31.50 and he only has $34 behind ... against what range do i extract more value raising to $25 than shoving (effectively raising to $46)?

[JFsports]

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Make it 25 or so and shove the turn

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once i match his raise, the pot is $31.50 and he only has $34 behind ... against what range do i extract more value raising to $25 than shoving (effectively raising to $46)?

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I just think donks are more likely to call a silly small 3bet with AT or any J than they are to call a shove

[Mike MacIntosh]

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Make it 25 or so and shove the turn

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once i match his raise, the pot is $31.50 and he only has $34 behind ... against what range do i extract more value raising to $25 than shoving (effectively raising to $46)?

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I just think donks are more likely to call a silly small 3bet with AT or any J than they are to call a shove

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I like.

[1gotth3nuts]

very true

[Gorgi24]

I would shove, but if you are calling, CR the turn.

Edit: Nevermind, I just saw stack sizes, I agree with a raise to something like 22-25 cause he will definetely pay with AJ if you shove the turn.