How are the police allowed to do this?

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Thremp,

Please watch the movie Crash to see how black people are treated in traffic stops.

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http://www.csaf.org/soc_jus/dwb.htm

The above is a link to an old SI article (the formatting in the link sucks) about the police shooting of four young basketball players. It's a long feature article, and some of the relevant information comes at the end.

I suspect that many of the people who have come to the defense of racial profiling will point out that a)the young man driving didn't have a driver's license, and b)the van started to move backward (when the driver thought he had put it in park) and the cops felt threatened.

In response to a), note that the cops had no way of knowing he didn't have a license. In response to b), I'd submit that the force used by the two police officers was excessive. However, it's not really the point: These four guys were stopped for no reason other than being black, and the officer approached the car with his glock pointed at the driver. This sort of sh*t just doesn't happen to white guys like me.

-McGee

[ItalianFX]

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So if a police car pulls in behind you, the best strategy is just to pull over and stop. That way you won't violate any traffic laws and he can't pull you over?

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You technically could, like if you pulled into a store or gas station. It happens to me just about every night that I work. Sometimes I'll follow them in just to let them know that I'm watching them, and then I loop around and go on my way.

[Freerollin`]

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So if a police car pulls in behind you, the best strategy is just to pull over and stop. That way you won't violate any traffic laws and he can't pull you over?

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You technically could, like if you pulled into a store or gas station. It happens to me just about every night that I work. Sometimes I'll follow them in just to let them know that I'm watching them, and then I loop around and go on my way.

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Shouldn't do this, bro. It contributes to a negative attitude towards cops since people think you're trying to prove how powerful you are. If they're not doing anything wrong, let them do what they want.

[SparkyDog]

I just skimmed this thread, so I may have missed a couple things.

1) I can't believe everyone is automatically buying the cops' story. I'll believe that the dude started shoving police officers when I see a tape. This just sounds like some BS made up after they realized "aw [censored] this ain't just some dumb [censored]."

2) A black man looks at police suspiciously? Whyever would he do that?

3) Cops treat people like [censored]. They also escalate situations. Have many of you have asked a cop a question before during a stop? Get a satisfactory answer? All I've gotten are "shut the [censored] ups" and tossed in the back of a car.

4) To the retard that said he'd rather see him dead than risk getting hit; I'd rather see you dead than Weary get tasered.

5) To those saying that they'd rather risk harassment and impinging on the rights of a largely innocent demographic than let a few criminals of that demographic go free, I wouldn't. Looking a police officer (who doesn't slow down and tighten up when there's one around) doesn't not mean there is a reasonable probability that he's committing a crime. That's natural behavior.

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So if a police car pulls in behind you, the best strategy is just to pull over and stop. That way you won't violate any traffic laws and he can't pull you over?

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You technically could, like if you pulled into a store or gas station. It happens to me just about every night that I work. Sometimes I'll follow them in just to let them know that I'm watching them, and then I loop around and go on my way.

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Shouldn't do this, bro. It contributes to a negative attitude towards cops since people think you're trying to prove how powerful you are. If they're not doing anything wrong, let them do what they want.

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You're right, but I'm free to be on the road just as much as they are. It's not like I slow down and creep past them and stare them down. I just pull in and make a loop. I guess it's all in how you see it. I'm not going to get down to discussing my job though.

[RoundTower]

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RoundTower,

This is an Escalade:



Pehaps you now recognize this vehicle.

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so he doesn't want them to think he's a soccer mom?

[AlienBoy]

If your vehicle is out of compliance with law - and a front liscense plate is required in many states - the police can detain you for the violation. This is an "arrest" and during this arrest, you must comply with the instructions of the police officer.

Period.

This is the wrong time to voice complaints, and certainly the wrong time to start a confrontation with 2 guys with guns.

Police work is a difficult and dangerous job, made more difficult by [censored] that act like that in these situations.

I'm not an apologist for police misaction - far from it - but when they are detaining you is the wrong time to be a combative about it.


You might find this interesting:

http://www.YouAndThePolice.com



In short - never give up your rights, never admit to anything, but at the same time, don't give the police a reason to taser you.

[Jasper109]

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If your vehicle is out of compliance with law - and a front liscense plate is required in many states - the police can detain you for the violation. This is an "arrest" and during this arrest, you must comply with the instructions of the police officer.

Period.

This is the wrong time to voice complaints, and certainly the wrong time to start a confrontation with 2 guys with guns.

Police work is a difficult and dangerous job, made more difficult by [censored] that act like that in these situations.

I'm not an apologist for police misaction - far from it - but when they are detaining you is the wrong time to be a combative about it.

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Pretty well sums it up.

[chesspain]

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Do you know why El Al is considered the safest airline to fly from the perspective of being the target of a terrorist attack? Because they don't waste time searching grandmothers, making people take off their shoes, and inspecting shampoo bottles. Instead, they have profilers and behavioral specialists wandering around the terminal observing and talking to people who look or act suspicious.

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I hate this argument. It says that the most effective thing a terrorist can do is doctor granny's shampoo bottle while she's not looking.

It's nice to question Osama especially, but not if it means you get lazy and ignore everyone who is not he. When we show tendencies, we expose ourselves to be exploited.

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I don't understand your reply to my response. Are you saying you don't agree with using resources for more intensive behavioral profiling rather than for a more superficial searching of everyone? Or are you saying that airlines should intensely search/interview everyone, so that the screening process should take even longer than it does now?

[Josey_Wales]

All:

I am very white and have been stopped in MA for not having a front license plate and for having a light out and for driving past a cop with my high beams on. All times the cop was white.

Please explain.