Tough fishy cause he's so fishy

[Barrin6]

Ok I hate these spots. You are in a marginal spot with a marginal hand. And villain is one of those donks who love to fire their whole range on the river whenever checked too. I have such a hard time playing against these guys.

Villain is 62/17/1.56 and river AF is 5 and bet river is like 60%

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $410.70
BTN: $398.25
SB: $140.35
Hero (BB): $219.60
UTG: $78
MP: $242

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $2, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, BTN calls $8

Flop: ($21) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, BTN calls $14

Turn: ($49) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ???????

What's our plan and why?


edit:

Here's another hand same villain. What's your plan? Is it just a simple c/f?

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $413.45
BTN: $242.60
SB: $137.35
Hero (BB): $200
UTG: $274.45

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $15</font>, BTN calls $11

Flop: ($31) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero ??


What is your guy's general line against these type of opponents? Do you still iso wide even though they will love to reverse float you guys? Or do you tighten up and over limp?

[Bukem_]

value pls. They still call with a8, 74 etc. then you can check to them on river and laugh when they bluff with a hand that never folds out better.

hand 2: 3betting with this hand is bad if you don't have a strong plan for postflop. actually vs this villain you can just call pre if you want to see a flop. he is never folding preflop.

[JFsports]

I'd bet turn and c/c river

[tubasteve]

i probably never would 3-bet in hand 2 in your spot. it just doesn't seem profitable against a guy with those numbers since you probably dont have much FE.

[Burcak]

Hand 1:

Don't bet if you won't call a big bet on the river. You can still fold if he raises turn.

[plexiq]

Hand 1: I probably play check turn and call a small bet - fold if he bets big &amp; has reasonably low turn AF. River check/call. But im probably missing a lot value against this type of players.

[SABR42]

Hand 1, bet/bet/bet, or bet turn c/c river.

Hand 2, I hate the 3-bet. You're OOP with a mediocre hand and you know he won't fold. Just call his min-raise and try to flop a pair.

[Colours]

Hand1: Bet turn. c/c a decent river.

Hands2: As tubasteve said, 3betting this guy here can't be good.

[phantom_lord]

1. bet, c/c river

2. don't like the 3bet, just c/f.