TP/TK turned into river bluff c/r

shaundeeb · #1 08-30-2007, 04:36 PM

50fo on stars been quite tag this guy hasn't been remarkable in a good or bad way just a standard guy which is why on the river I am sure he doesn't have AK thus I am way behind his range now so I shove.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t2770)
Button (t4435)
Hero (t7770)
BB (t3534)
UTG (t10360)
UTG+1 (t3060)
MP1 (t7895)
MP2 (t10101)
MP3 (t2335)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, 1 fold, MP1 calls t200, MP2 raises to t600, 3 folds, Hero calls t500, 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 calls t400.

Flop: (t2200) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets t800, Hero calls t800, MP1 folds.

Turn: (t3800) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1000, Hero calls t1000.

River: (t5800) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t1200, Hero raises to t5370,

flyingmoose · #2 08-30-2007, 05:10 PM

After we match his flop bet the pot's 60% of our remaining stack and we're likely good, plus we could get action from worse queens and draws and even stubborn JJ/1010 hands sometimes. I don't really get why we're peeling a turn instead of raising with intent to get it in.

I don't like the river c/r much. I don't trust unknowns in $55 freezeouts to fold 2-pair.

J.A.K. · #3 08-30-2007, 05:18 PM

I can't mention anything you haven't thought of so I'll ask a couple...

Do you ever raise this flop? Is adding the diamond draw as a possible holding by calling part of your reasoning...i.e are you betting or c/r turn if a diamond falls?

shaundeeb · #4 08-30-2007, 05:23 PM

If I don't have Ad I raise flop like 90% of the time.

Stumpy · #5 08-30-2007, 05:36 PM

He raised to 3BB after 1 limper, and then made small bets the whole way, in his mind extracting value.
I don't see him giving up getting 2:1 odds on the river.

Seems like he'd check behind if he was worried about the 9.

shaundeeb · #6 08-30-2007, 06:15 PM

doesn't fit the range you speak of for PF flop and turn not being afraid of the 9 on the river.

flyingmoose · #7 08-30-2007, 06:36 PM

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doesn't fit the range you speak of for PF flop and turn not being afraid of the 9 on the river.

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Yeah but how often do tournament players bet thin and fold? More often they'll just check behind when a card scares them.

the alex · #8 08-30-2007, 07:49 PM

I play these $50f's a good amount and I wouldn't expect 68 to fold, let alone Queens up, a set, or a 9, if that's what you're asking.

Tsunami11 · #9 08-30-2007, 08:18 PM

What's the point of the c/r on the river? If you know you have him beat why not just call his river bet? I don't think many lone Q's call you, and many hands that beat are capable of beating you, especially against a stubborn villain. If you think it's a bluff, I just call and take the safe chips.

Stumpy · #10 08-30-2007, 08:19 PM

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doesn't fit the range you speak of for PF flop and turn not being afraid of the 9 on the river.

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Sorry, not sure what you mean.
Do you mean you agree he has a big hand preflop, but obviously those hands ARE afraid of a 9?

I agree a big hand should be worried about the 9, but I think you're going to see a majority of people check behind and mutter if you had one, not bet small and fold to a raise getting over 2:1.

If you meant something else, what do you think the 3BB raise after a limper + 4BB, 5BB, 6BB bets means?