AK...c bet?call?fold?wtf?

[bennyhana]

utg+1 is 50/20/1.67
nothing on utg.

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero ....

[Marie Antoinette]

call

[BigBadBabar]

well it's basically 10:1 so call for the gutshot right?

[bennyhana]

do you think your typical stars .50/1 player donks this turn with less than QJ or JT or 2 spades?

[BigBadBabar]

i agree it's a bit dirty and one looks like he has qx and the other looks like he has jx, yes. i do think that if we hit the gutshot we can c/r the field on the river and get some bets back, so i think the implied odds more or less cancel out the semi-dirty outs. caveat is that i am more of a feel player than a math/odds player but i think i would make this call. i haven't played .5/1 in a long time but i think that's a pretty mubsy range for a .5/1 game no? i don't how tight stars games are obv...

[Dr. Matt]

I'm not over-calling that turn. I give it up.

[Fadook]

I'm not sure about the flop c-bet. Ok, UTG+1 is a LAG, but it's still likely that someone's picked up something on that board and the pot is large, so I don't think you're folding anything you care about. I wouldn't want to be raised here as you've got enough outs that you want to see the turn.

As played: turn is close, but I can see a typical .5/1 player doing this with a J without a Q, and you should be able to pull of a c-r if a T hits. So call.

[Buzz-cp]

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call

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[Buzz-cp]

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I'm not over-calling that turn. I give it up.

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No way man! We can close the betting and see a river. We also have good relative position to check/overcall if we hit our gutshot as we can close the betting and get the 2 extra bets that we need to correctly call this turn. We will also win sometimes when we pick up an A (not usually though). The point is, if it goes check, bet, raise, we can safely fold whatever river card comes.

Buzz

[bennyhana]

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I'm not over-calling that turn. I give it up.

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No way man! We can close the betting and see a river. We also have good relative position to check/overcall if we hit our gutshot as we can close the betting and get the 2 extra bets that we need to correctly call this turn. We will also win sometimes when we pick up an A (not usually though). The point is, if it goes check, bet, raise, we can safely fold whatever river card comes.

Buzz

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so you guys aren't discounting my gutshot outs at all?