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Old 10-09-2007, 04:19 PM
DpR DpR is offline
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Hopefully, you sexy the turn enough to protect you in spots like this and get to see the river for free if nobody has anything.

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Ding! Nice post Surfdoc.

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Nah, come on. He'd never sexy here on this board with 2 opponents, there are a ton of hands loving a free card.
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:25 PM
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Hopefully, you sexy the turn enough to protect you in spots like this and get to see the river for free if nobody has anything.

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Ding! Nice post Surfdoc.

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Nah, come on. He'd never sexy here on this board with 2 opponents, there are a ton of hands loving a free card.

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I tend to agree I would never try check raising here and I really think it is an awfull spot to do so. Even if you do C-raise reasonably frequently they def are not going to expect you to do it here, therefore I don't see it working. Respectfully disagree with the Donkey of Death and SurfDoc on this one.
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:59 PM
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Well, for one, I was speaking more generally (assumed Surfdoc was too) than this exact board texture and situation about how people tend to bet bet bet and rarely CR the turn and then wonder why they can't get free cards OOP.

But looking at this board closely, I think this wouldn't be a horrible spot to CR with JJ or something, people make dumb bets all the time, especially in super aggro shorthanded online games. Ax might be able to convince himself he has the best hand (or can get another Ax to fold by betting turn and river), obviously its sort of unlikely anyone has a pair but they might have caught the turn. I don't think CRing here is a standard or even great play, but I think the way games are these days its never going to be "awful" - people just bet way too often when you check for no better reason than you checked.

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Old 10-10-2007, 09:50 AM
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Hopefully, you sexy the turn enough to protect you in spots like this and get to see the river for free if nobody has anything.

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Ding! Nice post Surfdoc.

-DeathDonkey

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Nah, come on. He'd never sexy here on this board with 2 opponents, there are a ton of hands loving a free card.

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I tend to agree I would never try check raising here and I really think it is an awfull spot to do so. Even if you do C-raise reasonably frequently they def are not going to expect you to do it here, therefore I don't see it working. Respectfully disagree with the Donkey of Death and SurfDoc on this one.

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I was speaking in general terms and not really for this board texture. This turn is obviously a horrible spot to CR. I think you may be giving the average opponent too much credit (maybe I am not giving enough?) in thinking that they know I will screwplay the turn but not this particular turn. That implies a higher level of thought and assumes they know how I think which is not going to be the case too often hopefully if I game select well.
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