AQ - When to bail

Conte · #1 07-26-2007, 10:28 PM

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls $0.20 (All-In), SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15.80 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (12.90 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.90 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.90 BB

davelin · #2 07-26-2007, 10:42 PM

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls $0.20 (All-In), SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15.80 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (12.90 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.90 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.90 BB

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I think you could've folded to two bets pre-flop, especially in a protected pot. Same with two bets on the flop.

Point Blank · #3 07-26-2007, 10:45 PM

this is a little hard to play along in the dark ... any info

IMO: you generally aren't good calling two back on the flop ... I probably don't raise SB's bet either (I call and see how the action goes ... you might be able to continue with the added strength of your bdfd)

Point Blank · #4 07-26-2007, 10:48 PM

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls $0.20 (All-In), SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15.80 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, SB caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (12.90 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.90 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.90 BB

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I think you could've folded to two bets pre-flop, especially in a protected pot. Same with two bets on the flop.

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i thought the same thing ... then notice UTG cold called heros' raise then capped after we called

00Snitch · #5 07-26-2007, 11:12 PM

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I think you could've folded to two bets pre-flop

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It was never actually 2 bets cold to hero preflop, so I think you have to call. :s

Oh, you mean flop?

Yep, do that.

00Snitch · #6 07-26-2007, 11:16 PM

Actually, you are getting effective odds of like 26:2 on the flop, so you probably only need like 3-4 outs for a call to be correct. You can safely count your Queens for 2, if you think you can find 1-2 more for your Aces and BDFD, you can probably call that.

davelin · #7 07-26-2007, 11:18 PM

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I think you could've folded to two bets pre-flop

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It was never actually 2 bets cold to hero preflop, so I think you have to call. :s

Oh, you mean flop?

Yep, do that.

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Ugh, I misread...yes you're right.

00Snitch · #8 07-26-2007, 11:21 PM

Davelin, you don't think you can find 3-4 outs to call the flop?

Reaction · #9 07-26-2007, 11:26 PM

I think the turn over call is --EV.

Maybe my resolve is tainted, but why do I want to just call that first flop bet w/A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and raise w/o.

kerowo · #10 07-26-2007, 11:58 PM

Without reads I can't fold TP against someone who LRR. That decision would be a lot harder if SB had kept firing on the turn though.