Why Im no longer an ACist

[DontRaiseMeBro]

do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

[Richard Tanner]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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Neither. I'm a Libertarian in practice (minarchist, but I don't really like that word) and an ACist in spirit. I think you can be both, and moving from one view-point to the other isn't particularly tough.

Cody

[Poofler]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

[pvn]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

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Do you mean you need to be convinced government < free market for you personally, or that you need to be convinced that government < free market for everyone in general?

[Poofler]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

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Do you mean you need to be convinced government < free market for you personally, or that you need to be convinced that government < free market for everyone in general?

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Everyone in general. Actually defining what that means is pretty hard. I guess a stab at it would be that if I were randomly reborn as someone else, which system has a higher EV for me. Obv there are wealth/happiness disparities that can skew that, but you get the idea. I don't really believe in "rights". In a perfect world, I think limited government > free market. I guess that's why I am a minarchist. In reality, where limited government is kind of a farsical thought, I don't know what to think.

[pvn]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

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Do you mean you need to be convinced government < free market for you personally, or that you need to be convinced that government < free market for everyone in general?

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Everyone in general. Actually defining what that means is pretty hard. I guess a stab at it would be that if I were randomly reborn as someone else, which system has a higher EV for me. Obv there are wealth/happiness disparities that can skew that, but you get the idea. I don't really believe in "rights". In a perfect world, I think limited government > free market. I guess that's why I am a minarchist. In reality, where limited government is kind of a farsical thought, I don't know what to think.

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Why does everyone else need your approval?

[Poofler]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

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Do you mean you need to be convinced government < free market for you personally, or that you need to be convinced that government < free market for everyone in general?

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Everyone in general. Actually defining what that means is pretty hard. I guess a stab at it would be that if I were randomly reborn as someone else, which system has a higher EV for me. Obv there are wealth/happiness disparities that can skew that, but you get the idea. I don't really believe in "rights". In a perfect world, I think limited government > free market. I guess that's why I am a minarchist. In reality, where limited government is kind of a farsical thought, I don't know what to think.

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Why does everyone else need your approval?

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What are you talking about? No one needs anyone's approval to do anything. There are just actions.

[pvn]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I think it depends if you're a moralist, utilitarian, or both. I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes. I think moralists have a bigger leap from coercion to no coercion.

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Do you mean you need to be convinced government < free market for you personally, or that you need to be convinced that government < free market for everyone in general?

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Everyone in general. Actually defining what that means is pretty hard. I guess a stab at it would be that if I were randomly reborn as someone else, which system has a higher EV for me. Obv there are wealth/happiness disparities that can skew that, but you get the idea. I don't really believe in "rights". In a perfect world, I think limited government > free market. I guess that's why I am a minarchist. In reality, where limited government is kind of a farsical thought, I don't know what to think.

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Why does everyone else need your approval?

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What are you talking about? No one needs anyone's approval to do anything. There are just actions.

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Earlier you said:

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I'm mostly a utilitarian, and just need to be convinced government < free market for quality of life purposes.

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[ALawPoker]

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do u guys think that the move from minarchist to anarchist is an incremental change or a monumental leap in thinking?

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I considered myself a minarchist for a while before I decided I was an "ACist." I still don't like to label myself as anything, cause all I am is some [censored] on the internet that posts here between poker hands and hasn't thought about this stuff anywhere near as much as many libertarian thinkers. So to call myself necessarily the same thing as someone else is sort of weird. I'm just fortunate that I have a couple really smart friends, and that I found this board with some really intelligent posters on it.

I'd say it was gradual in the sense that it took longer than it should have. Minarchism provides a sort of outlet to be what makes sense to you, but also feel like you don't have to totally reject the terms by which other people think about things. But eventually it just sort of hit me over a 2-3 day period that "AC" was my conclusion, and that I was just mindfucking myself to insist otherwise.

In most cases the difference is probably semantics. However, I would say there are probably a fair number of "minarchists" who do have a drastically different line of reasoning and don't necessarily accept the principles of why freedom works, but just so happen to come to the conclusion that limited government is their preference, for whatever reasons.