Nooo they be taking my nuts. 1000 NL deep

[jj12]

Villain is an overagro spewy 25/20 tag. He doesn't strike as a guy that would slowplay. River is a really crappy card since he probably has fd decent percentage of the time. He seems so FOS (and the odds are pretty good) that I made the call. Thoughts on the hand are appreciated.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1586.84
UTG+1: $1492.12
Hero: $2166.79
Button: $1206.75
SB: $1383
BB: $197

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $40</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($130, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $100</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $250</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($630, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $400</font>, Hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1430, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $896.84</font>, Hero calls.

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Fold the turn. Given his weird line I think you are facing a river bet always, and I don't think you're going to have odds to call it.

[jj12]

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Fold the turn. Given his weird line I think you are facing a river bet always, and I don't think you're going to have odds to call it.

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have you played with spewy overagro players? I am not sure if folding turn is correct. He is repping AA/fd/retarted bluff (v sizable part of his range).

[Paul B.]

I don't really like that you bet the flop but this line seems okay. River is close because of the spade (otherwise easy decision) but against this type of opponent it's worth a call.

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Fold the turn. Given his weird line I think you are facing a river bet always, and I don't think you're going to have odds to call it.

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have you played with spewy overagro players? I am not sure if folding turn is correct. He is repping AA/fd/retarted bluff (v sizable part of his range).

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I play with 25/20 type players every day. Maybe this one is even crazier than most, but I think his range on the flop is something like: QQ+,AK, maybe AQ, random flush draws, total air.

On the turn I think you can narrow it somewhat to AK, maybe AQ, sometimes flush draws, less air. It's closer than I thought, but a calldown relies on him being able to check/raise bluff air and fire 3-barrels. If you are planning to call down from the turn any time the river blanks you need &gt;=40% equity.

With 3 combos KQ as total air, as well as plenty of flush draws you can argue for a turn call:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.368% 47.37% 00.00% 9 0.00 { AdJc }
Hand 1: 52.632% 52.63% 00.00% 10 0.00 { AQs+, KQs, KsJs, QsJs, JsTs, 9s8s, 8s7s, AKo }

However a river call is disastrous if the flush hits unless he has tons of airballs obviously, so definitely fold this river as played. A river call is also -EV if he is only semibluffing and never totally bluffing. If the river comes blank a lot more bluffs are reasonable and you can call down unimproved if he's really that out of line.

[Melchiades]

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I play with 25/20 type players every day. Maybe this one is even crazier than most, but I think his range on the flop is something like: QQ+,AK, maybe AQ, random flush draws, total air.

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QQ/KK CR this flop?

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I play with 25/20 type players every day. Maybe this one is even crazier than most, but I think his range on the flop is something like: QQ+,AK, maybe AQ, random flush draws, total air.

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QQ/KK CR this flop?

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Why not? They don't want to c-bet in this multiway pot, but Hero could easily be on a steal so why not try a little bluff?

What range do you think is reasonable for villain? I admit to not having a lot of experience in similar situations (being check/raised by the PFR).

[jj12]

wanted to post results because they were interesting. Villain had TT.

[cakewalk]

villain's range opens huge once you flat the turn.

also sometimes these spewtards go nuts when you don't fold a decent hand to an unimaginable line (c/r that flop multiway, srsly)