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Old 11-29-2007, 11:38 AM
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Default JJ over pair fashing over push (100nl)

Villian runs at 19/13/2 over 300 or so hands I feel that he rarely plays out of the ordinary and isnt very bluffy. I don't expect him to get out of line too often, which is why this hand confused me so much. I called the flop check raise because I felt that i was WA/WB and I wnted to re-eval the turn. Now he pushes, and I am finding it very difficult to put him on a hand. I thought his line only made sense if he had 77/TT/5x trying to get maximum value from an over pair, but that read didn't sit very well with my general view of the player.

Thoughts? Different approach to the flop would be cool also.

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($12, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $22</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($56, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $93.65</font>, Hero...???


Oh yeah, I cover villian.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:59 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
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Default Re: JJ over pair fashing over push (100nl)

i don't really understand what's confusing. if the guy is tight and doesn't bluff, then you're dead. if you wanted to see what he'd do on the turn, you got your answer, right? i'm not sure i understand how your read conflicts with the action.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:00 PM
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I think you are toast and would fold. From a someway decent player I'd take this as extreme strength wanting to look bluffy. Like you I'd probably call the flop raise rather than 3 betting, I don't know why though and which is better.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:06 PM
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I'd bet more on the flop, like 10-11

Fold here. He needs to be bluffing 2/3 of the time to call.
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:22 PM
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i don't really understand what's confusing. if the guy is tight and doesn't bluff, then you're dead. if you wanted to see what he'd do on the turn, you got your answer, right? i'm not sure i understand how your read conflicts with the action.

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He rarely gets out of line. Shoving this turn in this manner is getting out of line. I have never seen him make this sort of bet beofre. He likes value-betting. If he had a monster he is playing firly randomly for a straightforward, vlaube-betting ABC player, no ?
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Old 11-29-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: JJ over pair fashing over push (100nl)

If he's got a full house here he'd have me leveled to the ground. I'd say it's either 5x or you're winning... could go either way on call or fold here though. Agh. I probably end up calling becuase nothing makes sense.
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