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Old 08-02-2007, 03:49 PM
xerber xerber is offline
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Default AJ in trouble

villain is unknown

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Limit: $0.25/$0.5
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero...

I think i can only beat a(semi-)bluff - but itīs more likely that an unknown plays a set or two pair like this.
I really hate these spots - i can hardly let this go.

Is this worth a calldown?
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

Wrong forum?

Anyway, w/o a read, you should fold this -35% of the time.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

Right forum.

Your hand is pretty easy for villain to read here so he probably has you beat when he raises the turn. However, against an unkown at this limit, I calldown and make a note on the player.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

Just call down. Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose, then move on.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:47 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

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Wrong forum?

Anyway, w/o a read, you should fold this -35% of the time.

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WTF, this post makes no sense whatsoever.

OP just call down, your hand will hold up often enough.
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Old 08-02-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

standard calldown, he could be doing this with any ace and you'll usually have 3-9 outs if behind
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:00 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

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Wrong forum?

Anyway, w/o a read, you should fold this -35% of the time.

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WTF, this post makes no sense whatsoever.

OP just call down, your hand will hold up often enough.

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I think he's saying you should call down 135% of the time
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Old 08-02-2007, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

i have never folded this hand in this spot online. to do so would be to hate money.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

Vs. unknown, standard calldown. You have to risk 2 BB to win 8.5 (= current pot + his river bet), so it's not like you have to be good a huge amount of the time to make calling down +EV.
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Old 08-02-2007, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: AJ in trouble

1. If you fold AJ you are folding most of your range. You won't have a better hand than AJ in this situation often enough to prevent Villain from making excellent money by always bluffing. That makes your fold highly incorrect from a game theory perspective.

2. The positional arrangment and somewhat scary board creates a strong incentive for Villain to combine hand protection with a free showdown by raising a mediocre hand in front of the third player.

3. Villain limped in cutoff and is unlikely to have a better ace or a set. Most of the likely hands that beat you are two-pair atrocities against which you have many outs.
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