Set of 4s against river aggression

Quercus · #1 07-29-2006, 01:16 PM

Villain is 80/4 - will call down against value bets with a piece of the board. Likes to min bet weak made hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($19)
Hero ($36.72)
SB ($28.30)
BB ($26.26)
UTG ($30.63)
MP ($22.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.75.

Turn: ($2.85) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2.

River: ($6.85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $9.29, Hero ???

(Side question... turn bet too small?)

centja1 · #2 07-29-2006, 01:24 PM

have you seen villain do this before? in my experience, an out-of-nowhere bet like this once you've shown this much strength is fairly often the nuts or close to it.

i think you have to call this, though since only like four hands beat you. he'll have 99 or QQ here sometimes, but he'll also have 64 and 33 here a lot as well.

nextgenneo · #3 07-29-2006, 01:34 PM

have to call, probably just rivered a two pair

gimmetheloot · #4 07-29-2006, 03:00 PM

call, turn bet is fine.

PayoffWiz · #5 07-29-2006, 03:06 PM

I would be tempted to raise here against the villain because, judging from your description, he may call with a lot of hands you beat. Turn bet is ok, but I would want to bet closer to the pot considering the board's texture.

pokerchap · #6 07-29-2006, 03:08 PM

i am really confused why your not trying to get all your money in here. what beats you? 5 7? 5 2?

notevenhere · #7 07-29-2006, 04:01 PM

Why call? I am pushing this river all day, based on how you described Villain, and the fact that the board is as dry as can be.

Quercus · #8 07-29-2006, 04:03 PM

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i am really confused why your not trying to get all your money in here. what beats you? 5 7? 5 2?

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57 and 52 are a possibility, though I think he would have led out for more than a minbet on the flop and almost certainly would have c-r the turn with a made straight. 96 or 99 seemed most likely to me given the action.

The question in my mind was whether it was 96+bluff often enough to be worth a call.

The idea of a raise never entered my mind.

Bukem_ · #9 07-29-2006, 04:07 PM

Its call or push. 80/4s sometimes have insane river aggression and semi normal flop aggression. Usually passive on the turn.

notevenhere · #10 07-29-2006, 04:15 PM

I think it is pretty obvious here, that the turn and river cards don't help the Villain vs your set. Anything that beats you beat you on the flop.*

If someone flops a straight on a 643 board vs my middle set, I am going to get stacked 95% of the time. Not getting stacked in these situations usually means you are not getting enough value out of your sets.

*With the exception of 99 and QQ, both of which are extremely unlikely holdings given the action.