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Old 11-21-2007, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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You ever notice how many fish whine about a site being rigged, but never get up from the table until they bust? Online poker isn't in any danger.

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How many times have we seen it....

fish1: this [censored] is so rigged
Dealer: fish1 rebuys for $3 and has 1500 chips added.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

I am a programmer and I can tell you it is far easier to rig poker software than it is to create software to play poker from scratch.
So if anything the argument - it would cost a lot - and is real hard to do is out the window.

The way the programmer said he did it also make sense. Something I would have to do as a programmer is make sure that in the long run the cards are not distributed abnormally i.e too many pocket aces getting cracked, because then anyone can use poker tracking tools and prove its rigged.
On the other hand, I have no idea how a programmer can screw it up to throw a fifth ace. (And release it to public too!)
The really good way to rig the site is to assign numeric values based on their wins/losses/playing style/newbie etc and say the higher number is favored in the deal because he recently joined and has not won much. Based on that the deal can be adjusted on the river /turn. Also settings can control which tables are rigged and which are not. Sometimes too, higher limit tables will not be rigged because firstly, they are very few newbies there and second, the pros might pick up on it.

the net result of a well rigged site: the very good players will still win though they might still suffer a few bad beats from newbies.
The newbies /bad players will last a little longer and will be encouraged.
However, the average/not so good players will now be losing players because all they needed was a little bit of variance to keep them in debt anyway.
thus, most of the rigged site stories will come from average players only since they are the ones the most victimized. Some winning players might discover this but most good players don't play at micro/medium and so may never notice this.
As a programmer, I see nothing extraordinary with this - but as a poker player it is disturbing to know it can be done <i>undetected!</i>
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

heh, that thread is pretty good insight into how your typical fish thinks and views online poker.

That said tho, I pretty much agree with what he said. It's called Riverstars for a reason.
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Old 11-21-2007, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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heh, that thread is pretty good insight into how your typical fish thinks and views online poker.

That said tho, I pretty much agree with what he said. It's called Riverstars for a reason.

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Another reason I might be having bad luck is simply because I am not putting enough money on to start with. I always play low stakes (never higher than 25/50c blinds) because I have never put more than $60 dollars to start with. I have turned $60 into $500 before (!!!!!!!!!!). But overall I get called by terrible cards with the nut straight after the flop and lose to 4 of a kind or a full house on some ubsurd turn and river.

Incredibly frustrating when I know I am the better player. I don't know what some people are thinking when they make these calls.
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Old 11-21-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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heh, that thread is pretty good insight into how your typical fish thinks and views online poker.

That said tho, I pretty much agree with what he said. It's called Riverstars for a reason.

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Another reason I might be having bad luck is simply because I am not putting enough money on to start with. I always play low stakes (never higher than 25/50c blinds) because I have never put more than $60 dollars to start with. I have turned $60 into $500 before (!!!!!!!!!!). But overall I get called by terrible cards with the nut straight after the flop and lose to 4 of a kind or a full house on some ubsurd turn and river.

Incredibly frustrating when I know I am the better player. I don't know what some people are thinking when they make these calls.

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What? 2.33 buyins isn't enough? NIT!
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Old 11-21-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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heh, that thread is pretty good insight into how your typical fish thinks and views online poker.

That said tho, I pretty much agree with what he said. It's called Riverstars for a reason.

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Another reason I might be having bad luck is simply because I am not putting enough money on to start with. I always play low stakes (never higher than 25/50c blinds) because I have never put more than $60 dollars to start with. I have turned $60 into $500 before (!!!!!!!!!!). But overall I get called by terrible cards with the nut straight after the flop and lose to 4 of a kind or a full house on some ubsurd turn and river.

Incredibly frustrating when I know I am the better player. I don't know what some people are thinking when they make these calls.

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What? 2.33 buyins isn't enough? NIT!

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try 1.2?
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:48 AM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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I am a programmer and I can tell you it is far easier to rig poker software than it is to create software to play poker from scratch.
So if anything the argument - it would cost a lot - and is real hard to do is out the window.

The way the programmer said he did it also make sense. Something I would have to do as a programmer is make sure that in the long run the cards are not distributed abnormally i.e too many pocket aces getting cracked, because then anyone can use poker tracking tools and prove its rigged.
On the other hand, I have no idea how a programmer can screw it up to throw a fifth ace. (And release it to public too!)
The really good way to rig the site is to assign numeric values based on their wins/losses/playing style/newbie etc and say the higher number is favored in the deal because he recently joined and has not won much. Based on that the deal can be adjusted on the river /turn. Also settings can control which tables are rigged and which are not. Sometimes too, higher limit tables will not be rigged because firstly, they are very few newbies there and second, the pros might pick up on it.

the net result of a well rigged site: the very good players will still win though they might still suffer a few bad beats from newbies.
The newbies /bad players will last a little longer and will be encouraged.
However, the average/not so good players will now be losing players because all they needed was a little bit of variance to keep them in debt anyway.
thus, most of the rigged site stories will come from average players only since they are the ones the most victimized. Some winning players might discover this but most good players don't play at micro/medium and so may never notice this.
As a programmer, I see nothing extraordinary with this - but as a poker player it is disturbing to know it can be done <i>undetected!</i>

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Found this to be a pretty reasonable and thoughtful response on a subject that usually draws massive amounts of flame from true believers on both sides of the "online poker is rigged" argument.

Although I'm not a programmer it wouldn't seem that it would be any harder for a site to program hand results as Bystander suggested than it would be for IGT to program the RNG on individual video poker machines to give varying degrees of advantage to the casino as they have been doing for years.
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Old 11-22-2007, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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heh, that thread is pretty good insight into how your typical fish thinks and views online poker.

That said tho, I pretty much agree with what he said. It's called Riverstars for a reason.

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Another reason I might be having bad luck is simply because I am not putting enough money on to start with. I always play low stakes (never higher than 25/50c blinds) because I have never put more than $60 dollars to start with. I have turned $60 into $500 before (!!!!!!!!!!). But overall I get called by terrible cards with the nut straight after the flop and lose to 4 of a kind or a full house on some ubsurd turn and river.

Incredibly frustrating when I know I am the better player. I don't know what some people are thinking when they make these calls.

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What? 2.33 buyins isn't enough? NIT!

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He never said he started on NL50.
He said he never played higher than NL50 which is quite reasonable if you gonna cash out every time you reach 500.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

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Although I'm not a programmer it wouldn't seem that it would be any harder for a site to program hand results as Bystander suggested than it would be for IGT to program the RNG on individual video poker machines to give varying degrees of advantage to the casino as they have been doing for years.

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LOL really you wear your tinfoil to the local b&m's then too? ever heard of a gaming commission?
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Old 11-22-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: guy claims he knows a pokerstars programmer that rigged the rng

Seriously, the tinfoil hat joke wasn't that funny the first 231,978 times it was used, nor is it funny now. Thanks for your contribution to the thread anyway.

One thing is obvious from that site, if anythings rigged , its rigged for Washington Redskins fans.
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