Suspected cheating on AP

[Mike Haven]

DEAD ON IMPACT:
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I contacted AP 2 days ago about suspicous play and they said they would look into it. I also contacted them last night when I saw Doubledrag dump 250k or whatever the amount was and the ladie stated that there wasn't a note about me contacting them a few nights back and also that i should just write security an email.

She ended the conversation saying that I can be reasured that AP is 100% safe. Also, that it's impossible to see another players cards because of their incryption system.


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[Schneids]

FWIW I'd say it's like 95% cheating is going on.

Also fwiw, if anything is to "happen," I think we'd need many of the most frequent high stakes players to all send AP whatever independent investigation that gets conducted.

Though like you say, it's debatable whether it's worthwhile in the big picture to try to expose this or not.

[El Diablo]

bk, Schneids:

1: I think it's morally wrong to not expose this. To know this info and let others get ripped off at Absolute just because they are not part of the "in crowd" is imo very wrong.

2: I wouldn't be concerned about them being super hackers or anything. My guess is that the most likely thing by far is that they were given access from someone inside AP to a backdoor account as Druff describes.

[adanthar]

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bk, Schneids:

1: I think it's morally wrong to not expose this. To know this info and let others get ripped off at Absolute just because they are not part of the "in crowd" is imo very wrong.

2: I wouldn't be concerned about them being super hackers or anything. My guess is that the most likely thing by far is that they were given access from someone inside AP to a backdoor account as Druff describes.

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agreed on both. and AP needs to take the fall for this.

edit: I'm gonna go ahead and BBV this. if I'm wrong and the hacker feels like revenge, I hope he has fun taking over my AP account with < $1K inside and let me tear AP a new one.

[El Diablo]

ad,

Just to re-emphasize, it is about a zillion times more likely that this guy has access to a backdoor in the software as opposed to being some kind of superhacker.

[adanthar]

yeah, I'm not wrong or anything, lol.

how unbelievably, ridiculously dumb is AP for having a backdoor account in the firstplace? *goddamn*

[adanthar]

all,

bring the original thread back. I don't care what it does to the games in the short term; hiding this is extremely reprehensible.

I'm posting the details in BBV and will continue to do so, anyway. AP cannot get away with something this big privately - it *must* be outed, if only to scare everyone else into watchfulness.

[El Diablo]

ad,

"bring the original thread back."

While I think this situation should not be hidden, I think it is OK to hide the thread w/ details/examples. Then again, unless the dude is a super idiot, once it's clear he's exposed, it's not like anything noticed in the thread is hard to figure out.

[adanthar]

no, it needs to be brought back, for reasons like this one from p5's:

OK, SOMEONE!! Explain this call please.
by Stuman123 on 9/13/2007 00:45



HOW does he make this call?!?!?!?! Heads up in the 1K on AP....This makes no sense.




Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI$428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]

this hand was from 2 days ago and someone just mentioned it to me now; either this is the greatest read ever or it goes wider than just HSNL. either way, all of the names need to come out ASAP.

[adanthar]

potripper's pokerdb:



Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings
9/12/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 1 98 $30,000.00
7/5/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 234 234 —
7/5/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 140 148 —