Small 4-Bets

[Our House]

I've been away for a while and really want to know...

What is up with these TAGs making tiny 4-bets in 2/4 NL??

So many players are raising my $46, $48, and $50 3-bets to anywhere between $100 and $120. Is there some kind of strategy behind this (maybe leaving room to fold to a push?) or is it just a trend? All I know is that they're getting owned pretty hard.

I'm genuinely confused.

[Imrahil]

You can blame CTS for this. Oh and please tell me how you're owning them.

[mustmuck]

To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

[ddubois]

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To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

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Put a man to a decision for all his chips!

[cbboy]

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To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

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Lol. It depends on style. Some people just 4-bet shove. Some people 4-bet small (like 2-2.5 times the 3-bet), some people 4-bet pot sized.

[mustmuck]

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To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

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Lol. It depends on style. Some people just 4-bet shove. Some people 4-bet small (like 2-2.5 times the 3-bet), some people 4-bet pot sized.

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This is the only one I can't see any merit to.

[Our House]

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To be clear, how big are you saying the 4-bet should be?

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I agree with this when you're playing with 100BB stacks. It only changed to small 4-bets within the last few months. Before that it was always either 4-bet big and commit or just pooosh. That's how it should be IMO. 4-betting 2x or 2.5x is horrible and all it does is give your opponent a free pass to call with odds. After all, his 3-betting range is a lot tighter than his raising range.

In a vacuum, the only hands that are correct to 4-bet small with are AA, KK and maybe QQ. For obvious reasons, no one is only 4-betting with that range, so the play is sub-optimal overall.

[MATT111]

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In a vacuum, the only hands that are correct to 4-bet small with are AA, KK and maybe QQ. For obvious reasons, no one is only 4-betting with that range, so the play is sub-optimal overall.

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You`re close to the solution...

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You can blame CTS for this. Oh and please tell me how you're owning them.

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Call and hit obv.

[nuggetz87]

more common is making it ~3x the 3bet imo ($150-$160). making it 60 or 70 on top is pretty terrible unless villain is too stupid to call.