The state of Notre Dame football.

[Bigdaddydvo]

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[shemp]

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Out of 2000+ predictions, only 10 brave, depressing souls predicted our probable final record of 5-7.

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Really?

[Austiger]

Okay, I found Auburn's participation stats. I'd love to see Florida's too, but here are ours compared to ND's. I combined the Sr and 5th yr senior totals for ND since I don't have Auburn's separated.

NOTRE DAME - eight games played
Fr - 15
So - 48
Jr - 45
Sr - 68

Auburn (8 games):
Fr - 38
So - 37
Jr - 43
Sr - 58

NOTRE DAME OFFENSIVE LINE
Fr - 0
So - 16
Jr - 16
Sr - 8

Auburn:
Fr - 20
So - 0
Jr - 16
Sr - 4

QB:
NOTRE DAME
Fr - 6
So - 1
Jr - 1
Sr - 0
5th- 0

Auburn:
Fr- 1
Sr- 7

Also the overall numbers don't include special teams. Auburn's kicker and punter are both freshmen. Most of our KO returns have been by a freshman. Our punt returner is a junior, but was replaced by a freshman @ LSU. I have no idea what ND's special teams experience is, but you can't get younger than that.

So all in all, Auburn is actually less experienced by a decent margin. ND's schedule is 2nd toughest according to Sagarin. Auburn's is #3. So that excuse doesn't hold either.

[Dudd]

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Okay, I found Auburn's participation stats. I'd love to see Florida's too, but here are ours compared to ND's. I combined the Sr and 5th yr senior totals for ND since I don't have Auburn's separated.

NOTRE DAME - eight games played
Fr - 15
So - 48
Jr - 45
Sr - 68

Auburn (8 games):
Fr - 38
So - 37
Jr - 43
Sr - 58

NOTRE DAME OFFENSIVE LINE
Fr - 0
So - 16
Jr - 16
Sr - 8

Auburn:
Fr - 20
So - 0
Jr - 16
Sr - 4

QB:
NOTRE DAME
Fr - 6
So - 1
Jr - 1
Sr - 0
5th- 0

Auburn:
Fr- 1
Sr- 7

Also the overall numbers don't include special teams. Auburn's kicker and punter are both freshmen. Most of our KO returns have been by a freshman. Our punt returner is a junior, but was replaced by a freshman @ LSU. I have no idea what ND's special teams experience is, but you can't get younger than that.

So all in all, Auburn is actually less experienced by a decent margin. ND's schedule is 2nd toughest according to Sagarin. Auburn's is #3. So that excuse doesn't hold either.

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Yeah, I really think they're reaching at straws looking at the inexperience angle. It's not that we're young, Auburn is just one of many teams who have proven that you can win with young talent, but it's that we're completely non-competitive this year, which there is no way in hell a well coached team should be. I'm not saying I want him fired yet, but if there isn't significant improvement next year, I probably will.

[TomCollins]

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Yeah, I really think they're reaching at straws looking at the inexperience angle. It's not that we're young, Auburn is just one of many teams who have proven that you can win with young talent, but it's that we're completely non-competitive this year, which there is no way in hell a well coached team should be. I'm not saying I want him fired yet, but if there isn't significant improvement next year, I probably will.

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You can't really be a Domer, wow, a reasonable response. Even if he wins the rivals.com National Championship, you'd look for results on the field?

[Bigdaddydvo]

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Okay, I found Auburn's participation stats. I'd love to see Florida's too, but here are ours compared to ND's. I combined the Sr and 5th yr senior totals for ND since I don't have Auburn's separated.

NOTRE DAME - eight games played
Fr - 15
So - 48
Jr - 45
Sr - 68

Auburn (8 games):
Fr - 38
So - 37
Jr - 43
Sr - 58

NOTRE DAME OFFENSIVE LINE
Fr - 0
So - 16
Jr - 16
Sr - 8

Auburn:
Fr - 20
So - 0
Jr - 16
Sr - 4

QB:
NOTRE DAME
Fr - 6
So - 1
Jr - 1
Sr - 0
5th- 0

Auburn:
Fr- 1
Sr- 7

Also the overall numbers don't include special teams. Auburn's kicker and punter are both freshmen. Most of our KO returns have been by a freshman. Our punt returner is a junior, but was replaced by a freshman @ LSU. I have no idea what ND's special teams experience is, but you can't get younger than that.

So all in all, Auburn is actually less experienced by a decent margin. ND's schedule is 2nd toughest according to Sagarin. Auburn's is #3. So that excuse doesn't hold either.

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Nice work compiling these.

Obviously, Auburn has done a much, much better job of working in their young talent into the lineup. CW's approach to the same problem has thus far proved to be disasterous. It was the first time in 3 yrs as the ND coach that he's had to contend with a problem like this, and he's failed miserably thus far.

[TomCollins]

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Out of 2000+ predictions, only 10 brave, depressing souls predicted our probable final record of 5-7.

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Really?

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As much as Bigdaddy is in denial, the sad thing is he is one of the most reasonable Domers out there, as evidenced by this article. "Rivals says he recruits well, so he is awesome!"

So many excuses, its amazing. Just a huge amount of denial, it could only be from Catholics. Oh well, you guys are going to have to learn the hard way after he brings you down so low, the only national title you can compete for is Division III.

[shemp]

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Out of 2000+ predictions, only 10 brave, depressing souls predicted our probable final record of 5-7.

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Really?

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As much as Bigdaddy is in denial, the sad thing is he is one of the most reasonable Domers out there, as evidenced by this article. "Rivals says he recruits well, so he is awesome!"

So many excuses, its amazing. Just a huge amount of denial, it could only be from Catholics. Oh well, you guys are going to have to learn the hard way after he brings you down so low, the only national title you can compete for is Division III.

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I'm an idiot and didn't see this coming at all-- but 5-7 is the probable final record is in an entirely different category. In what sense "probable"?

How about: You hold that thought, raise as much money as you have/can find, and I'll give you 2:1 on it and make a hefty donation to ND in your name-- whether I/you win or lose the bet!

It's funny that it is actually progress when ND fan says that of course their coach had a ton to learn about running a program-- they were the only folks who didn't think it was likely. Funnier still that they now confess to have been deeply skeptical of that silly contract extension.

[FlyWf]

Austiger- I suspect that you're using football years and ND is using scholastic years. Not that it makes you wrong if you are, you're clearly right. I'd love to see someone(calling Michigan bloggers!) do a ND/OSU/LSU comparison. Especially OSU, who has been easily out-recruited by ND since their bowl game.

[MyTurn2Raise]

congrats to Weis for raiding the Nebraska pantry as their ship sinks

well...at least one of the big boys is going down hard