A2 PLO8

cjs · #1 08-03-2007, 07:58 PM

Villain is passive pre but more aggressive postflop. Seems decent.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($66)
MP3 ($50.35)
CO ($25.25)
Button ($56.30)
SB ($31.60)
BB ($1.35)
UTG ($14.50)
UTG+1 ($16.25)
MP1 ($35.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 1 fold, BB calls $0.85 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($-50.95) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $7.25, Button calls $7.25, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($-36.45) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($-36.45) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets $21.05, Hero calls $21.05.

Final Pot: $64.20
Main Pot: $5.65, between Hero, Button and BB.
Pot 2: $58.55, between Hero and Button.

Anyone like a different line on the turn or river?

MattS · #2 08-03-2007, 08:21 PM

I would follow with a pot sized bet on the turn to profit from fold equity (The opponent you describe should be able to fold naked low draws.) And if you get a call or a re-raise you will have more than enough outs to win at least 1/2 of the pot.

BooNaNy · #3 08-03-2007, 08:23 PM

This is why don't like PO8. Some donk will call you and you will get quartered most of the time...

Borys313 · #4 08-03-2007, 08:39 PM

I bet pot on turn, your draw is huge. The only hand that is a favorite vs you is a set with A2 which is very unlikely.
By beting out pot you can make him fold a great number of hands that are currently ahead and thus you force him to make a mistake. And thats how you make money in poker by forcing others to make bad decisions.

And one good advice.

IF YOU HAVE TO CALL A BET THAT PUTS YOU ALL-IN, BET ALL IN INSTEAD YOURSELF.

Edit. This is advice aply only to situations when you are OOP, cause in postion you can check behind.

Darkfolder · #5 08-03-2007, 09:05 PM

Why not raise river allin?

Borys313 · #6 08-03-2007, 09:15 PM

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Why not raise river allin?

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Why not run with your head against the wall?

Darkfolder · #7 08-03-2007, 09:20 PM

nvm

bbartlog · #8 08-03-2007, 11:39 PM

The only hand that is a favorite vs you is a set with A2 which is very unlikely...

By betting out pot you can make him fold a great number of hands that are currently ahead

Um, what? You contradict yourself? But if I understand you right, what you mean is that only A2+set would justify a *fold* on your part.
If villain were bad, I would agree with potting the turn. Against decent opposition however I would normally assume that he wouldn't call the flop and fold the turn very often. And checking on the turn allows us to control the size of the pot.
I call on the river here, but it may be a leak. Seems very player-dependent whether your Ace-high will be good for high often enough to get 3/4 (I'm assuming villain also has the nut low).

Borys313 · #9 08-04-2007, 08:00 AM

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The only hand that is a favorite vs you is a set with A2 which is very unlikely...

By betting out pot you can make him fold a great number of hands that are currently ahead

Um, what? You contradict yourself? But if I understand you right, what you mean is that only A2+set would justify a *fold* on your part.
If villain were bad, I would agree with potting the turn. Against decent opposition however I would normally assume that he wouldn't call the flop and fold the turn very often. And checking on the turn allows us to control the size of the pot.
I call on the river here, but it may be a leak. Seems very player-dependent whether your Ace-high will be good for high often enough to get 3/4 (I'm assuming villain also has the nut low).

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I hope I dont contradict myself, so I rush to explain.
If the showdown was on turn a hand like AJ95 would beat us, its at the moment ahead cause it makes one pair and we have nothing yet. But with one card to come we are 55:45 ahead.
Does it mean we want him to call and continue? I think not really I would rather make him fold to take down the pot uncontested.

A+2 a set doesnt justify a fold on our part, because we have 13 outs to beat him for high so we have to call a pot-size bet even if its PLO high. The problem is that if he has A+2 set he puts us all in and in that case beting pot is clearly inferior to check-call.

But generally I belive that he will have mainly hands we flip against and in that case beting out pot on turn is best because if he folds something that is 50:50 or even 55:45 for us thats a good result.

cjs · #10 08-05-2007, 08:46 AM

i think I misplayed the turn - a pot sized bet puts pressure on my opponent and may fold him out.

I don't understand this statement. By the river I'm happy if it gets checked though. I have to call with the nut low but I have no high. Why should I make this bet if I don't have too?

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IF YOU HAVE TO CALL A BET THAT PUTS YOU ALL-IN, BET ALL IN INSTEAD YOURSELF.