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10-19-2007, 01:11 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah. It's gonna be great when AP releases their statement and then evidence comes out that they are lying once again. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Latest thing I've seen by AP saying internal breach but no management invovlement: [/ QUOTE ] That didn't take long. [/ QUOTE ] LOL. The facts that they: 1) stonewalled in the face of strong evidence 2) stonewalled that there was even chip dumping 3) stonewalled when there was IRREFUTABLE evidence and are now 4) doing the absolute bare minimum No [censored] way in hell. No [censored] way in hell. But seriously, when the corruption comes from the very very top, how can we expect anything else? We didn't [censored] win, and it sounds like the battle hasn't even [censored] started. We need to make sure Absolute never sees another dime. |
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#493
10-19-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
THE PLAYERS
-------------------------- ABSOLUTE POKER "Absolute Poker and the Absolute Poker website are solely owned and operated by Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG, Route 138, Kahnawake, Quebec J0L 1B0. Tokwiro Enterprises ENRG is owned by a Mohawk of Kahnawake and is operated from the sovereign nation of the Mohawks of Kahnawake, located near Montreal Quebec." Absolute Poker purchased Ultimate Bet in Oct, 2006. $10 million in cash and about $140 million in 5 future annual payments. The Fraternity - SAE - MONTANA Many of the founders/employees of Absoulte Poker can be linked to this Montana Fraternity. SCOTT TOM AP was started by Scott Tom and a few Ivy league friends back in 2003. Phil Tom and the other fathers of these kids bankrolled the venture, and Absolute Poker was born. Phil Tom is Scott Tom's FATHER, not his brother. The IP address that this 'other' account was logged in from was traced to the home cable modem of Scott Tom, CEO of Absolute poker. scott@rivieraltd.com is apparently the CEO, and is also the owner of account POTRIPPER. Scott Tom is also apparently the owner of the STEAMROLLER account. If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is scott@rivieraltd.com. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@". Scott Tom has been spamming poker forums as recently as June 2007 on behalf of Absolute Poker. Scott Tom has account at Ultimate Bet under the name of 'PotChopper' AJ GREEN The Potripper account belongs to AJ Green, former Director of Operations at AP and Scott Tom's best friend. AJ Green is currently VP of operations at nine.com and the former director of operations at Absolute. AJ Green is also POTSLAMMER, he of the 3 posts shilling for AP in his only thread. As we already know, The Watchdog, who comes in to defend him and co-shill for AP in that thread, is probably Scott Tom. AJ Green/Potripper on AP [almost certainly] = FATRAISER on Stars. BRENT BECKLEY - alumnus from SAE frat in Montana from 1999. That player is Brent Beckley, another major player at AP. Brent Beckley worked for AP when a poster propped there. He was a part of support and security. Brent Beckley's last known city of residence is Miami, which is the location of one of the cheater accounts. He was a frat brother of Scott Tom in Montana. Brent plays as RUNNINONMT on UB. His email is brent@rivieraltd.com and Brent is from the montana group of people who run Absolute. OSCAR HILT Oscar Hilt = another one of Scott Tom's frat brothers, and was also employed by Absolute, as the CFO maybe? Possibly the account OSCAR133 WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON - Frat allum from 1995 The speculation is that William McManon might be the user of the account "MCBill." MCBILL won a $100,000 dream package on absolute after little tournament play on the website. There are active McBill accounts at Full Tilt and PokerStars. MARK SEIF Mark seif has huge endorsement deal dating back from when Scott Tom is CEO of AP. Mark Seif has been seen in public with Scott Tom many times. SEIF's QUESTIONABLE SESSION THE ACCOUNTS Most of these account have recently won large buy-in tournaments on Absolute Poker. Many have similar questionable play. Most have played very few tornaments on Absolute before winning a large buy-in event. ---------------------------- USER 363 - Unknown - observed Table of Potripper in 1K win 1. This guy "enters" table 13 at 2007-09-12 21:02:14, which is 2 minutes and 14 seconds after the tourney started. 2. Table 13 is the table which POTRIPPER was playing on 3. He never leaves the table, which means he was observing the table until at least 11:20 PM EST (at least, that's how I understand this) 4. His IP address is based in Costa Rica. 5. This is the most damning. He is user id 363 at AP. That means he was created in the system very very early on. Most of these user ids are in the 6 or 7 figures. The guy who was on the same IP as the user 363 had his email set to an email that is hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission. GRAYCAT - Crushed High stakes limit games on Absolute. Chip dumped large amounts to SUPERCARDM55. GREYCAT won approx. $28,000 in high stakes limit games on Absoulte. DOUBLEDRAG -DOUBLEDRAG won huge amounts of money in high stakes no-limit games on Absoulte playing nearly every hand. DOUBLEDRAG chip dumped $200k and $300k to Romnaldo (or REYMNALDO) -THESE ARE 3 CONSECUTIVE HANDS where DOUBLEDRAG and ROMNALDO capped every street playing $200/$400 heads-up, only to have DOUBLEDRAG fold for one bet on the river. HERE After cheating story became public DOUBLEDRAG dumped 27k on the tables. STEAMROLLER STEAMROLLER won the $150 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $20,700. STEAMROLLER also won the $100 buy-in on 8/19/2007 for $1636. Absolute Poker admitted this account belongs to the Absolute Poker staff. Steamroller is linker to Scott Tom. OSCAR133 - There was an "Oscar Hilt" at SAE in 1999. 2 tournaments, 1 9 entrants, 1 296, won both, total winnings 38k. OSCAR133 won the $500 buy-in on 10/6/2007 for $37,500. POTRIPPER - won $1K tournament on 9/12/2007 for $30,000. User #2234890 is POTRIPPER in the AP user database. POTRIPPER folded his first couple hands before the 363 observer entered the table... and that's when he started the suspicious activities. .xls file mistakenly sent out by Absoulte support. YOU TUBE OF WIN POTSLAMMER - Do we know anything about this account? PAYUP - Won $1K on 8/23/2007 for $35,700. MCBILL There is speculation that this account is linked to another SAE Montana Fraternity brother - WILLIAM WILLIS MCMANON. On 10/7/2007 won $200 buy-in event for $100,000. Montana resident and online poker player "MCBill" probably feels like he's struck gold this week after winning access to a possible over $100 million in online poker tournament prize pool money. Absolute Poker revealed that the online poker player hailing from Helena, Montana has won the 5th Absolute Dream Package on October 7th. |
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#494
10-19-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] No management personnel were involved in this incident, the company official relayed. [/ QUOTE ] Then right after that: [ QUOTE ] "The person in question knew the internal system at Absolute Poker intimately." [/ QUOTE ] Does not compute. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] If it's true, maybe he was a programmer etc.? |
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#495
10-19-2007, 01:13 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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Any relationship between the KGC and AP is obviously completely incestuous. [/ QUOTE ] absolute poker has lost the trust and respect of the poker community. the way i see it, by extension, so has the KGC. (they're owned by the same guy!) the KGC seemed shady to me even before all of this. but now, tbh, i'm wary of any poker site that is associated with the KGC. the thing is, that's pretty much EVERY SITE. ugh. sadly, that includes the site that is most trusted and respected on 2p2. everyone seems to believe that the people running poker stars are honest and professional. but i wonder, if that's the case, why would they choose to associate themselves with an organization as sketchy as the KGC? i've seen people in these threads expressing a "good thing poker stars isn't like absolute" sentiment. i'd like to share in that, but boy, i really wish they had no connection to the KGC. |
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#496
10-19-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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No management personnel were involved in this incident, the company official relayed. [/ QUOTE ] Presumably this should be interpreted as *current* management. Seems to be consistent with former management, i.e., Scott Tom, being implicated. Note that they could have said "current or former management" if they had wanted to. |
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#497
10-19-2007, 01:16 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] Any relationship between the KGC and AP is obviously completely incestuous. [/ QUOTE ] absolute poker has lost the trust and respect of the poker community. the way i see it, by extension, so has the KGC. (they're owned by the same guy!) the KGC seemed shady to me even before all of this. but now, tbh, i'm wary of any poker site that is associated with the KGC. the thing is, that's pretty much EVERY SITE. ugh. sadly, that includes the site that is most trusted and respected on 2p2. everyone seems to believe that the people running poker stars are honest and professional. but i wonder, if that's the case, why would they choose to associate themselves with an organization as sketchy as the KGC? i've seen people in these threads expressing a "good thing poker stars isn't like absolute" sentiment. i'd like to share in that, but boy, i really wish they had no connection to the KGC. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] |
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#498
10-19-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] No management personnel were involved in this incident, the company official relayed. [/ QUOTE ] Presumably this should be interpreted as *current* management. Seems to be consistent with former management, i.e., Scott Tom, being implicated. Note that they could have said "current or former management" if they had wanted to. [/ QUOTE ] But don't we have tons of sources that Scott Tom is still an executive who is very much involved in operations? |
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10-19-2007, 01:17 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] Any relationship between the KGC and AP is obviously completely incestuous. [/ QUOTE ] absolute poker has lost the trust and respect of the poker community. the way i see it, by extension, so has the KGC. (they're owned by the same guy!) the KGC seemed shady to me even before all of this. but now, tbh, i'm wary of any poker site that is associated with the KGC. the thing is, that's pretty much EVERY SITE. ugh. sadly, that includes the site that is most trusted and respected on 2p2. everyone seems to believe that the people running poker stars are honest and professional. but i wonder, if that's the case, why would they choose to associate themselves with an organization as sketchy as the KGC? i've seen people in these threads expressing a "good thing poker stars isn't like absolute" sentiment. i'd like to share in that, but boy, i really wish they had no connection to the KGC. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe this episode will cause the other sites to take a second look at this. I agree that their oversight of their clients is poor. |
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#500
10-19-2007, 01:22 PM
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Re: We win (AP Scandal v. 27)
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No management personnel were involved in this incident, the company official relayed. [/ QUOTE ] Presumably this should be interpreted as *current* management. Seems to be consistent with former management, i.e., Scott Tom, being implicated. Note that they could have said "current or former management" if they had wanted to. [/ QUOTE ] But don't we have tons of sources that Scott Tom is still an executive who is very much involved in operations? [/ QUOTE ] Well, I don't remember the details, but I think one allegation is that Scott Tom still indirectly controls Absolute. But if he is an outside shareholder (even a majority shareholder) I think that is technically consistent with him not being in management. I'm not saying their statement isn't leaving out some relevant details, I'm just saying it may not be an out-and-out lie. |
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