Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Micro Stakes
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-07-2007, 06:38 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: wot u say
Posts: 1,286
Default stupid raise?

villain is 72/22/1.7 over about 50 datamined hands.

showdown numbers are 29/55

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $8.40
BB: $9.70
Hero (UTG): $11.10
BTN: $14.35

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to Hero

Flop: ($0.90) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.70</font>, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.30) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.70</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.65</font>, SB calls $2.95
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to SB

River: ($9.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Pot Size: $9.60 ($0.95 Rake)

what am i supposed to make of this guy's turn bet? i hate these awkward donk bets when i miss, because i can't call them, i hate to fold to them, and i don't know whether i can raise them or not.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-07-2007, 06:51 AM
kimos123 kimos123 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 150
Default Re: stupid raise?

i would fold and find a beter spot agaist a 72/22/1.7
he might have a flush draw or a small pair.
what was the result?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-07-2007, 06:54 AM
DaycareInferno DaycareInferno is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: wot u say
Posts: 1,286
Default Re: stupid raise?

he had an A6o. shouldn't his wtsd% be higher than that if he calls triple barrels with Ax/air/3rd pair? i'm trying to get better at using these particular stats, but they have been betraying me a little bit so far.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-07-2007, 07:38 AM
members_only members_only is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 556
Default Re: stupid raise?

i doubt wtsd stats are that reliable over 50 hands
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-07-2007, 07:46 AM
Splossy Splossy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 581
Default Re: stupid raise?

If you think you can push him off it then the raise was fine obviously but his stats do look like those of a calling station. I also think the turn bet looks a bit like a push-off rather than a value bet due to it's size.

His turn bet was exactly what it looks like - he hit something very small.

Clearly he's a perfect opponent to simply value bet but not bluff.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-07-2007, 08:04 AM
Arctic Arctic is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 60
Default Re: stupid raise?

My raising you just make the calling station outplay you.
I would fold it.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-07-2007, 08:19 AM
RajHendon RajHendon is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Hendon, London
Posts: 44
Default Re: stupid raise?

Fold the turn without even a pair
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-07-2007, 08:28 AM
selector2006 selector2006 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 192
Default Re: stupid raise?

Take a big piece of paper and stick it to the wall behind your computerscreen. Write on it:

"DO NOT BLUFF AGAINST VPIP &gt; 50%!!"

These guys are so insanely profitable, it's almost unbelievable. Just play decent, valuebet the hell out of them, but make sure you have one pair at least. (One pair is good enough to play for stacks against them, especially if you have AK and they have Ax).
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-07-2007, 08:54 AM
InsideEdge InsideEdge is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 136
Default Re: stupid raise?

Fold against this guy, maybe even check behind on the flop against this guy.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-07-2007, 09:57 AM
DiamondDog DiamondDog is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 202
Default Re: stupid raise?

I'm a noob, but FWIW, your c-bet didn't get him to fold, but it served it's other purpose - it told you the Villain probably had something.

The turn card still leaves you with nothing. Raising him there looks more than a tad spewy IMO.

No point wheeling out the c-bet if you're not going to listen to it when it tries to tell you something.

I'm a noob. I know nothing.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.