Nasty spot: KK in a reraised pot with 3 callers

[criminaldave]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($101.50)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($97.40)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($97.75)</font>
UTG ($106.40)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($100)</font>
CO ($43.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, MP calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, BB calls $15, UTG calls $12, MP calls $12.

Flop: ($64) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ? </font>

what is the optimal play here?

BB has just sat down and i have no history.
UTG player is bad. Not horrendous, just bad. Heads up he isn't getting away from 99-QQ, but four handed he might.
MP is a multi tabler. He runs at 22-17. He can spew real bad at times but will get away from a marginal hand. He most probably is set mining.. Indeed, all three of them may be set mining. What is my play here?

[rebuyboy]

open shove!

[xSCWx]

Either I just put it all in here or I put about half. Either way all of my chips are in by the turn.

[Nemesis69]

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Either I just put it all in here or I put about half. Either way all of my chips are in by the turn.

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[criminaldave]

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open shove!

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Taking the pot down now is good and it is big enough to justify the shove. Anyone think that a check is good, waiting for someone to bet at it?

[kaah]

"Anyone think that a check is good, waiting for someone to bet at it?"

nope

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Either I just put it all in here or I put about half. Either way all of my chips are in by the turn.

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caus u have KK and a fd is out there and u dont have a spade king i like the flop better but turn is fine also

[criminaldave]

okay, i was MP in this hand. I normally fold to the reraise pf but the other two callers persuaded me to call. I'm not sure I like my play pf.

Consensus says sb was correct to push. I disagree. I think that against 3 players still to act that a check is better.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($101.50)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($97.40)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($97.75)</font>
UTG ($106.40)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($100)</font>
CO ($43.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, Hero calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $16</font>, BB calls $15, UTG calls $12, Hero calls $12.

Flop: ($64) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $81.4 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $81.75</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $81.75.

Turn: ($308.90) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($308.90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $308.90

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Kh Kd (two pair, kings and nines).
BB has As Ks (two pair, nines and fives).
Hero has 2d 2c (full house, twos full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $308.89. </font>

[JackAll]

Hmmm ... the more I think about it, the more I like this open shove move.

It looks much more like we have a draw and JJ/QQ will be more likely call. Especially since we are going broke anyway.

[Heichamato]

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Hmmm ... the more I think about it, the more I like this open shove move.

It looks much more like we have a draw and JJ/QQ will be more likely call. Especially since we are going broke anyway.

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QQ will call anyways, even though the KK hand is somewhat faceup as QQ/KK/AA. If he calls preflop, he is calling this board no matter what.

Can anyone tell me why we would 3bet a UTG beter with any suited connectors more than AsKs? Am I a nit for not doing this? Whatever, I get it in here with any of these holdings at this board.
Dave, I think it's marginal for you to call preflop for set value though but it's ok.

[members_only]

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Dave, I think it's marginal for you to call preflop for set value though but it's ok.

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