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Old 11-15-2007, 10:27 AM
roggles roggles is offline
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Default Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

Villain is unknown to me, never seen before.

Checking turn ok?

How much would you raise the river here for value?

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $28.85
CO: $217.70
roggles: $109.80
SB: $122.25
BB: $100

Pre-flop: (5 players) roggles is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">roggles raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">roggles bets $7.5</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($22.5, 2 players)
BB checks, roggles checks.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($22.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $22.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">roggles raises to $65 ????</font>
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:51 AM
CrushinFelt CrushinFelt is offline
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Default Re: Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

I probably just min raise here and let them talk themselves into calling.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:40 AM
Elrazor Elrazor is offline
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Default Re: Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

i think your raise is good, maybe a touch less. if hes slowplayed AAxx or caught R/R quads im just gonna pay him him here
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:37 AM
garcia1000 garcia1000 is offline
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Default Re: Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

I would make the case that against a good, thinking villian, calling is optimal, because the range of worse full house is around the same as better full house.

Against unknown, raise to $50 or so
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:40 AM
kolotoure kolotoure is offline
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Default Re: Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

I am raising to something between a min-raise and 55 here and puking if he shoves
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Old 11-16-2007, 11:44 AM
RoundTower RoundTower is offline
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Default Re: Rivered overfull - how much to raise?

I prefer the bigger end of it, 65-70. I think you get called almost as often and you are stacking off against better hands anyway.

garcia - BB hasn't exactly played his hand like a bigger full house or quads. But against a tight player I agree you might be getting no more value from a raise.
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