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[judgesmails]

I am not saying everything else you have said is not right, butI know of at least one book that currently takes bets from the US. It has been around for a long time and is one of the three biggest online books.

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You guys are getting the issues confused. The BOS arrest is because BOS took sports bets over the phone, which is specifically addressed as illegal in the wire act. Remember that act was put in place to crack down on organized crime at the time. A significant amount of organized crime gambling operations involved taking bets over the phone.

The arrest is not a pre-emptive stab by the DOJ in anticipation of HR4411 becoming law. As long as Lee Jones, etc. do not take sports bets over the phone, they're probably OK for the moment.

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The vast majority of off shore books do take phone action. I don't think we can pinpoint phone service as a major factor in the arrests until others get hit for it.

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You're making my point. The reason they are still in business is because they don't take phone action. I think the DOJ would be on shaky legal ground and wouldn't want to spend the resources going after purely internet based sportsbooks for now. Why do it now and potentially lose the case instead of wait for HR4411 to pass the senate and then have a law to enforce?

EDIT: Misread your comment. I thought you said the majority DO NOT take phone action. I thought most did not, but I could be wrong.

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You guys are getting the issues confused. The BOS arrest is because BOS took sports bets over the phone, which is specifically addressed as illegal in the wire act. Remember that act was put in place to crack down on organized crime at the time. A significant amount of organized crime gambling operations involved taking bets over the phone.

The arrest is not a pre-emptive stab by the DOJ in anticipation of HR4411 becoming law. As long as Lee Jones, etc. do not take sports bets over the phone, they're probably OK for the moment.

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You have no idea what you're talking about. The Wire Act has been interpreted by the courts to apply to the internet as well as phone lines. This is why internet sportsbooks can be, and have been, prosecuted under the Wire Act.

When this new bill becomes law, online poker will be illegal in the United States, and the overseas operators of the online poker sites can be extradited to the United States, prosecuted here, and sent to prison here. This is why online poker will cease to exist in the United States once this bill passes, because the poker site operators will not want to go to prison.

You can pull all of the reasons you want to out of your rear-end to try to argue why this won't happen, but you're wrong, plain and simple. After all that has been posted on here about this issue recently, it's amazing to me that some of you people still don't get it.

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Lawman, re-read my post.

I was going to say something more involved, but it just isn't worth it if you aren't going to read what I write and say something inflammatory anyway.

And read some of the my other posts. I am one of the people that "gets it". I wasn't trying to pull out "a reason out of my rear-end" why it won't happen. I take this threat very seriously and have been urging everyone on here to contact their senators.

All I was saying is that you can't automatically link the BOS arrest to a major crackdown on all online gambling by the DOJ based on the laws currently on the books.

I was under the impression from many other posters on here, many apparently more informed than yourself, that there wasn't a concensus by the courts yet, hence the need for HR4411 in the first place. Sure a court may interpret the wire act to include the internet, but they may not. And if I'm the guy in the DOJ, I'm not bringing cases that are on shaky legal ground.

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When this new bill becomes law, online poker will be illegal in the United States, and the overseas operators of the online poker sites can be extradited to the United States, prosecuted here, and sent to prison here. This is why online poker will cease to exist in the United States once this bill passes, because the poker site operators will not want to go to prison.

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Extradition? Mmmm IDK about that.. First of all, you need to have an extradition treaty with the other country, and if we do, it usually includes 2 lines:

1. The relevant crime is sufficiently serious.
2. The event in question qualifies as a crime in both countries.

Online poker isn't on anyone's 'serious crime' list, and if it isn't a crime there, then nobody's getting extradited to the US for prosecution on this.. I'd stay out of the country though,

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Then why hasn't every online sportsbook out there immediately ceased operations?

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Every one that I've heard of has stopped doing business with United States residents as a result of the Betonsports.com indictments. If you had been reading the posts on here, you would know that.

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There are alot of confused people out there and LAWMAN is making things worse.

PLEASE DON'T POST INCORRECT INFORMATION AS ABSOLUTE TRUTHS. I am not sure if you are just being a jerk or truly believe you "know it all". This is tricky enough as a real world example without you throwing falsehoods around.

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Then why hasn't every online sportsbook out there immediately ceased operations?

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Every one that I've heard of has stopped doing business with United States residents as a result of the Betonsports.com indictments. If you had been reading the posts on here, you would know that.

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There are alot of confused people out there and LAWMAN is making things worse.

PLEASE DON'T POST INCORRECT INFORMATION AS ABSOLUTE TRUTHS. I am not sure if you are just being a jerk or truly believe you "know it all". This is tricky enough as a real world example without you throwing falsehoods around.

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sportsbook.com is still up

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How scared are they?

PartyGaming is to launch a major advertising campaign for its PartyCasino site in the U.S., the Independent newspaper reported on Monday, despite the mounting threat of a clampdown by the U.S. government on online gambling.

[DuderinoAB]

Thanks for the backup guys...sheesh.

[guids]

Sportsbetting, either over the internet, or over the phone is illegal. If you are using US phone lines or internet connections to accept or place a wager (placing isnt really going to get you in trouble), you are a criminal in the eyes of the US govt. All sportsbook owners are criminals once they step foot in the US, as of right now, why would this change anything once the bill passes??? The only thing that I can think of, is the fact that the banks etc will not be allowed to deal with them, and if the funds get there in some other way (mailing a personal check, money order, etc), the govt really cant do much unless there is some weird Patriot Act law they are willing to whip out. I see things developing like so: govt passes bill, SOME offshore books refuse American action, majority dont, all books suffer from reduced American patronage becuase it is too much of a pain in the ass to use snail mail, or to expensive to use another form of transfering money down there. Heavy movers still bet offshore with overseas accounts, but the lines will really be all [censored] up. Local bookies in the US and vegas have their business boom, US goes back to worrying about terrorisism rather than gambling because the money is staying within the borders.

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When this new bill becomes law, online poker will be illegal in the United States, and the overseas operators of the online poker sites can be extradited to the United States, prosecuted here, and sent to prison here. This is why online poker will cease to exist in the United States once this bill passes, because the poker site operators will not want to go to prison.

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Extradition? Mmmm IDK about that.. First of all, you need to have an extradition treaty with the other country, and if we do, it usually includes 2 lines:

1. The relevant crime is sufficiently serious.
2. The event in question qualifies as a crime in both countries.

Online poker isn't on anyone's 'serious crime' list, and if it isn't a crime there, then nobody's getting extradited to the US for prosecution on this.. I'd stay out of the country though,

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The Betonsports.com execs have also been charged with tax evasion, which is a crime in both Britain and the US and thus is an extraditable offense.