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Old 09-11-2007, 12:48 AM
yapee yapee is offline
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Default 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

Villain is 26/16/2.

Ultimate Bet - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $17.35
BB: $48.70
UTG: $55.35
Hero (CO): $58.25
BTN: $134.20

Preflop: Hero is dealt J A (5 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, UTG calls $6.50

Turn: ($22.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $15.00</font>, UTG calls $15.00

River: ($52.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $32.50</font>, UTG calls all-in for $29.60
Uncalled bet of $2.90 returned to Hero

On the turn i thought that his most likely holding is a pair of some kind or overs, and he won't be able to stand the heat. Is turn spew already or only the river bet?
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Old 09-11-2007, 12:50 AM
traz traz is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

yuck. Fold preflop, and definitely don't bet the turn. Tx is never folding, and any heart draws just got there.
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:14 AM
Khumalo Khumalo is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

Consider 3 betting your hand pf. A read would help. You're five-handed, has he opened up his early position raising range at all (that sort of thing)?

As played, I give up after he calls the flop check-raise.
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:19 AM
yapee yapee is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

It's not a check-raise, Hero has position.

So should I by default either 3bet or give up AJo in position pf?
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:53 AM
corsakh corsakh is offline
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

I play big and medium pockets against aggro monkeys like villain did all the time. Some people just cant stop bluffing on paired boards.
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

Against your typical UTG player with typical stacks I fold AJo as the typical range is any PP, AK-AQ, KQs, AJs + some connectors or not (usually down to like 65s)
Hand 0: 42.630% 41.21% 01.42% 1083945996 37271658.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 57.370% 55.95% 01.42% 1471609632 37271658.00 { 22+, AJs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo+ }

You could argue that the equity is good enough concidering the fact that we have position but personally I'm too bad a player to play AJo good enough to make it worthwhile.
It's the win small/lose big kind of hand vs that range.
If you have a read that that particular player plays Ax from UTG etc. things change obviousely
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As played, without any specific reads I give up after he calls the raise
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:25 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

I would give up calling UTG raises w/ easily dominated offsuit hands if this is the result.
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Old 09-11-2007, 08:52 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

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So should I by default either 3bet or give up AJo in position pf?

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By default, you should give up AJo to an UTG raise. If you have a read that makes you want to play this, 3-bet.
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Old 09-11-2007, 09:06 AM
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

preflop is fine. AJ does pretty well vs an UTG raising range 5 handed, but not so well against a range for calling a 3-bet at this level. Give up after the turn though he's clearly not folding. Honestly i like calling the flop better since you're ahead quite a bit.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:18 PM
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Default Re: 50 NL, AJ, I\'m playing with multi-barreling with poor results ;-]

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preflop is fine. AJ does pretty well vs an UTG raising range 5 handed, but not so well against a range for calling a 3-bet at this level. Give up after the turn though he's clearly not folding. Honestly i like calling the flop better since you're ahead quite a bit.

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What range for UTG do you base this statement on?
And what is "pretty well" in terms of equity?
How much equity do you think having position is worth in this spot?
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