6max: folded TPTK want to understand theory

[XST]

Villian is 12/8/2.5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($13.15)
SB ($8.45)
BB ($10)
UTG ($20.15)
Hero ($9.40)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $0.95</font>, Hero calls $0.55.

Flop: ($1.95) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1.3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9.05</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $7.95

I think this is a pretty standard fold considering his pfr range. He probably has AA, KK or QQ. The thing that confused me was how I should of played the hand. By raising with TPTK I essentially made the hand the same as 34o. If it was just a continuation or feeler bet he wouldn't call with AK,JJ,TT. And I doubt there are many more hands he would have re raised me with. So obviously I get no value out re raising on the flop. I have had several situations similar to this were I raise for information but am losing a lot of value on the hand.

Thanks.

[Supwithbates]

fold preflop vs a 12/8
As played you have position so just call the flop, position gives you information anyways. IE, unless you think he's betting two streets with AK or JJ, you can call flop and then fold to a turn bet without wasting another 2$

You are right about the raise turning your hand into a bluff. That's what an "information raise" is by definition, because you're folding out worse hands and taking the pot down, but you only get action from hands you're way behind and can safely fold. You don't make information raises for value, you make them for information

[orig!naL]

On this board, I like the idea of calling and folding to a turn bet. I don't think Ak or JJ is betting two streets without connecting here.

[yapee]

If you want to raise his flop bet let it be to at least $4.5. If you don't want to put in that much, then don't raise.

You may want to call now and get it in on a Q/A/spade turn.

Also:
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18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

Board: 2c 6s Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.303% 60.30% 00.00% 11343 0.00 { JJ+, 66 }
Hand 1: 39.697% 39.70% 00.00% 7467 0.00 { AsQs }

And I think this range is extremely tight here, as villain minraised you pf, so you're priced to call for your remaining $5.

[alphabet_]

As for me - this is clear fold preflop. Villain is 8% preflop raise, so what range he coud reraise you out of position ? How do you think? AA, KK, QQ, may be AK and JJ. Thou you have one ace and one queen, he could have:
AA - 3 times
KK - 6 times
QQ - 3 times
JJ - 6 times
AK - 12 times (or something close to it)

With this range you are flip coin only to JJ, to AK villain is 70% favourite, to AA - 90%, to KK - 70% - so if you will get lucky, you are flip coin.
Is it worth to try? No, so fold preflop.

[Craggoo]

If you are going to fold everytime for a min re-raise IN POSITION then i would love to play with you. Ship the $$$$

[Ranma4703]

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If you are going to fold everytime for a min re-raise IN POSITION then i would love to play with you. Ship the $$$$

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Obviously he isn't folding every time. He's folding to this specific villian, because this specific villian is tight as hell.
At micro stakes, we do plenty of exploitable stuff on purpose, because villians are too dumb to exploit. So don't post stupid [censored] like that.

[yapee]

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205,476,480 games 0.032 secs 6,421,140,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.937% 66.85% 01.09% 137360808 2234160.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.063% 30.98% 01.09% 63647352 2234160.00 { AQs }

If that is his range preflop then Hero is priced to call the minraise.

But seriously, I think it's much wider than that because of the min- part.

[traz]

yea but chances are it's an RIO situation, where he'll lose a ton to AA/KK/AK, but win very little from JJ/missed AK.

Next time just call the flop and reeval on the turn. No reason to raise the flop here. As played, easy folds to the 3bet