AQs vs a Reg - i hate making big folds

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shoving the turn is spew.. a non-spade turn maybe. but definitely not Js.. call/re-eval.

[cs3]

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with 7-10 outs Calling >>> folding, because if you hit you will get the rest of his stack unless it's a Queen.

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why do you think we have 7-10 outs? what about the times when were drawing to 2 outs? the only river cards were happy calling a shove with are J's and A's

and if he has a flsuh and the board does double pair were obv not getting paid off.. so do we have odds to call teh raise?

[Scaramouche]

I check turn, call a decent bet on the river or valuebet if he checks.

[tubasteve]

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with 7-10 outs Calling >>> folding, because if you hit you will get the rest of his stack unless it's a Queen.

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why do you think we have 7-10 outs? what about the times when were drawing to 2 outs? the only river cards were happy calling a shove with are J's and A's

and if he has a flsuh and the board does double pair were obv not getting paid off.. so do we have odds to call teh raise?

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when are we ever drawing to 2 outs, even against QJ we have 3

[jordiepop]

anyone check the turn back?

[cs3]

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when are we ever drawing to 2 outs, even against QJ we have 3

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actually 5 vs QJ... 3 A's, 2 J's.


but you get my point. so do we have odds to draw, considering we rarely, if ever, get paid off when we hit an "out"?
or are we ever ahead now?

[tubasteve]

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anyone check the turn back?

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god no

[tubasteve]

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when are we ever drawing to 2 outs, even against QJ we have 3

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actually 5 vs QJ... 3 A's, 2 J's.
but you get my point. so do we have odds to draw, considering we rarely, if ever, get paid off when we hit an "out"?
or are we ever ahead now?

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whoops, my mistake.

but no, i dont get your point. theres a big difference between having 5-10 outs (or being ahead) and having 2.

we could have the best hand, but for simplicities sake, lets estimate that we're always drawing and have 9 outs, getting 3.5-1 immediate. we're 4.1-1 to make the hand so we need to make up what, another 30 on the river?

[cs3]

well i think 9 is really optimistic but thats not a big deal...
i dont really understand the logic here. well i do, but it just seems dumb to call the turn and leave like just 65BB's behind.

so lets say we miss on the the river. we now have less than $65 and the pot will be huge, (37 + 60 + 60 = $157)
when villain shoves, and he WILL shove on any blank, ( 157 + 65 = $222) we need to call ~65 to win $222 so are we really going to fold???? c'mon.

seems like one of those spots where making a marginally bad decision on one street can cost us much more later in the hand because we'll be getting such "good odds" - something i try very hard not to do, but often fail at

[tubasteve]

if youre willing to fold hte turn, why wouldnt you be willing to call and fold the river UI despite the "good" odds?