But Mooooom, I want to call!

[cgrohman]

$10-$20 kill game at Ceasars Indiana. I'm up about 2 racks in 2 hours and am currently hitting on the hot 65 year old next to me.

Always Limping Donkey (ALD)who enjoys the line: Limp/call preflop, check/call flop, check/fold turn -- is the villan

Anyway, he plays 40-50% of hands and raises maaaaybe 10% of the them. He also hates me from a previous session because I like to raise him very much.

He raises in MP, I call in the cut-off with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] because calling is a key to winning

SB calls because he already has a chip in the pot.

Flop 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Check, ALD bets I raise, fold, ALD calls

Turn is 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Ald checks, I bet, ALD raises, I shoot him disappointing glance and call

River is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. He bets very very quickly possibly without realising what the last card was. I think for approximately 15 seconds and he calls a clock on me.

Eh?

Also, how close is pre-flop?

[DeuceKicker]

Why not 3-bet pre-flop?

I think river is an easy fold. Even if he doesn't have a boat, he's too pissed at you to fold to a flush-bluff.

[cgrohman]

That's another option obv but a) he hadnt been raising that much, b) the button was going to fold, c) the SB will cold call a cap preflop or an all-in or whatever I could have mustered because he already had a chip in the pot.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

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c) the SB will cold call a cap preflop or an all-in or whatever I could have mustered because he already had a chip in the pot.

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This is a good reason to raise.

[cowboy billy]

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c) the SB will cold call a cap preflop or an all-in or whatever I could have mustered because he already had a chip in the pot.

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This is a good reason to raise.

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^indeed

I always get sooo lost in these river spots as well, but you should have def raised pre, not only for value and isolation purposes, but also because it could make decisions later on more easy, especially against the kind of player you described, unless of course they get a little tilty bc they've been getting pounced a little too much, but that's a good thing rite?

in this spot I'd call, bc I think you're good way often enough to make it profitable, donkeys go monkey sometimes out of frustration with hands like AK that didn't hit

usually, people who have the goods would like a call and def wouldn't put the clock on their opponent, unless there's some reverse psych going on, which is never the case when donkeys are involved

you'd have to be good only around 9% to make a call profitable, I think you're good way more often

[DeuceKicker]

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That's another option obv but a) he hadnt been raising that much, b) the button was going to fold, c) the SB will cold call a cap preflop or an all-in or whatever I could have mustered because he already had a chip in the pot.

[/ QUOTE ]I think B and C are reasons to raise.

Just calling leaves you with three or four opponents in the pot--craptastic for 99. Not enough to play for the set, too many to play for pair value. 3-betting gives you a better chance of getting it 3-way to the flop, with one opponent being a weak guy you can push off AK/AQ if he doesn't connect. It also allows him to cap pre-flop, which defines his hand.

[cgrohman]

The Button was going to fold anyway which favors ont raising. You are right about c though.

[DeuceKicker]

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The Button was going to fold anyway which favors ont raising.

[/ QUOTE ]I think that favors raising. Assuming you know Button will fold and SB will call any bets, you're going to the flop 3-handed at least. But getting BB to fold stops it from being 4-handed, which sucks for 99.

Still, the biggest argument is to give CO a chance to tip his hand by 4-betting or not. It will allow you to lose much less when he has a big pair, will allow you to force him out X% of the time when he has AK-AQ and misses the flop, and will also allow you to sometimes make him fold JJ-TT when an A or K flops.

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

I almost want to [censored] with him and raise the river. Obv. show your hand if he folds because you'll tilt him for the rest of his natural life. You're up two racks, man, time to have some fun!

[cgrohman]

I took me forever to figure out what his hand was. I just didn't see him playing an overpair like this.