AKs, no cbet

Kimpan · #1 09-25-2007, 11:29 AM

Do I cbet this?
I figure I get called by a lot in his range..

PartyPoker $200 NL Hold'em (4 handed) HandRecorder v0.9b

Stacks & Stats
BU ($212.35)
BB ($229.55)
CO ($189.15) (28/18/3.31/27) (597h)
Hero ($245.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
CO raises to $8, 1 folds, Hero raises to $28, 1 folds, CO calls $20.

Flop: ($58) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $88.

Spy Dog · #2 09-25-2007, 11:33 AM

Check-folding is OK. Cbetting probably isn't that great.

Check-calling is probably best, but can be tricky and needs postflop reads versus our opponent.

martijn · #3 09-25-2007, 11:36 AM

I just bet it, 40 looks good.

Spy Dog · #4 09-25-2007, 11:44 AM

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I think every PP calls or raises this bet. I also think that every hand we dominate will fold or make a move, causing us to fold.

It's an ugly spot and c-betting is the easiest play, but not the most optimal.

I'd rather check-call. We give ourselves a chance to pair on the turn with very clean outs. Plus, he might check behind and continue checking until the river. Also, we can bluff certain opponents if a Queen or Jack hits.

Sorcerer808 · #5 09-25-2007, 11:47 AM

I usually c/f against unknowns and bet against ppl whom I have history with and in the right circumstances. I find c/c a very interesting option, I'll try to experiment with it.

traz · #6 09-25-2007, 11:52 AM

I cf against most unknowns

startrak · #7 09-25-2007, 12:19 PM

i bet and shove alot of turns. check calling is worst option.

dragonystic · #8 09-25-2007, 12:21 PM

c/f looks perfectly fine here. a lot of his range will call, so id only cbet this if i was willing to double barrel.

Hattifnatt · #9 09-25-2007, 12:23 PM

c/f is perfectly fine, so is leading, c/c is bad.

Noam Chomsky · #10 09-25-2007, 12:50 PM

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I think every PP calls or raises this bet. I also think that every hand we dominate will fold or make a move, causing us to fold.

It's an ugly spot and c-betting is the easiest play, but not the most optimal.

I'd rather check-call. We give ourselves a chance to pair on the turn with very clean outs. Plus, he might check behind and continue checking until the river. Also, we can bluff certain opponents if a Queen or Jack hits.

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We give ourselves the same chance of hitting a pair by betting this flop and our bluffs on later streets are a lot more credible.

That said, I do agree with some of what you've said and I c/c here a certain percentage of the time. It's close to optimal against some opponents.

I also c/r against some, c/f against some and bet against some. Against this guy, looking at his stats only, I probably just bet it for value and may pay off a value bet/pick off a bluff somewhere along the way unimproved if I get called.