wierd line vs a showdown bound villian

riverspecialist · #1 10-21-2007, 06:55 AM

villian is 62/31/2,2

ive seen him get out of line with wild bluffs and ive seen him make some bad calls.

hero ($1646.50 in chips)
villian covers

hero - Posts big blind $10
hero has [4h 4d]
utg Folds
villian - Raises to $30
2 Folds
hero - Calls $20
*** FLOP *** [4s 10c 7h]
hero - Bets $50
villian - Calls $50
*** TURN *** [4s 10c 7h] [10s]
hero - Checks
villian - Bets $200
hero - Calls $200
*** RIVER *** [4s 10c 7h 10s] [8h]
hero - Checks
villian - Bets $310
hero - Raises to $750
villian - All-In (616.50 more)
hero?

I've been (successfully) experimenting with some (perhaps non-"optimal") value bets. I have a lot of thoughts on the hand but first i want to hear what people think (on all streets).
thanks

$upermad4it · #2 10-21-2007, 07:35 AM

I've no idea why you played the hand this way. C/R flop, bet turn, shove river

n2p · #3 10-21-2007, 07:42 AM

you've got to know your opponent really well to ck the turn. If that gets ck thorugh it really sucks since you want to play a big pot.

On river anything that is calling your small raise is prob calling an AI so going allin is better so you dont miss value.

JFsports · #4 10-21-2007, 08:15 AM

I don't like the way you played this either. I don't mind your flop lead so much, but when you take this line I'd much rather bet bet bet v this guy.
When you checked turn I think you should CR, ditto river where I CRAI rather than a smaller CR

illuminati · #5 10-21-2007, 08:24 AM

What did you want to accomplish on the river?

tozzy · #6 10-21-2007, 08:49 AM

head spinning. now call.

riverspecialist · #7 10-22-2007, 02:55 AM

"yuck"
this was my reaction when i first found this hand just b4 showing it to a friend who had the same reaction.

Then i tried to remember why i played it so strange and heres my reasoning:

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*** FLOP *** [4s 10c 7h]
hero - Bets $50

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I'm hoping to bet/raise. this is almost standard now with the idea that villians expect sets to checkraise.

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villian - Calls $50
*** TURN *** [4s 10c 7h] [10s]
hero - Checks
villian - Bets $200
hero - Calls $200

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on the flop i think the villian is very likely to be floating and would often raise any piece of the flop as a semi bluff. right now i dont think he has anything and i've seen him make gross desperation bluffs and payoffs on the river. This turn also reduces the chance he has a ten and doesnt improve any other hands.

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*** RIVER *** [4s 10c 7h 10s] [8h]
hero - Checks
villian - Bets $310

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He's no stranger to "dark tunnel bets" so this bet could mean anything. I think hands like QQ, AT, J9 and even 89(not a typo) are most likely. What are you putting him on? wa/wb? I think he will pay off most of these hands if i dont shove and only trip tens if i shove. I also think he might raise bluff some things.

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hero - Raises to $750
villian - All-In (616.50 more)
hero?

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again, id seen him do similar crap. i think this is 98, J9 or AT more often than TT, T7 or 77.

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I've been (successfully) experimenting with some (perhaps non-"optimal") value bets. I have a lot of thoughts on the hand but first i want to hear what people think (on all streets).
thanks

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until recently i was more rigid in my betting and would have never considered the raise i made. i would have called (and occasionally shoved).

Recently i read someone's suggestion that if u make bets for less than their stack they will call more often than you should expect. Granted, this sounds like misplaced tournament advice, i thought id give it a try.

AAismyfriend · #8 10-22-2007, 04:28 AM

I don't think this is ever 98 since he checks that behind like always I think. That being said, I would just shove the river yourself, and given description you obviously can't fold to his shove here. I don't mind this line if he gets out of line since he floats this flop a lot I think when you donk into him.