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Old 11-28-2007, 02:45 AM
Harv72b Harv72b is offline
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Why on earth would we want to check/raise the turn when our draw hits? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:56 AM
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Why on earth would we want to check/raise the turn when our draw hits? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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We're playing against an aggressive opponent who may give us too much action.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:00 AM
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And we have another player who apparently likes his hand sandwiched in the middle of us, and who we'll be facing with 2 cold if we check/raise when an obvious draw (like the frush) comes in on the turn. Lead the turn & hope the lagtard lets us 3bet, when we hit of course.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:02 AM
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And we have another player who apparently likes his hand sandwiched in the middle of us, and who we'll be facing with 2 cold if we check/raise when an obvious draw (like the frush) comes in on the turn. Lead the turn & hope the lagtard lets us 3bet, when we hit of course.

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Unless he has TPMK, he's not going to fold any hand he likes.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:25 AM
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For what it's worth, I think preflop is fine.

Against this opponent, I usually just call in this spot and wait until after the draw hits to raise again. I don't want UTG+2 to freak out and fold when it goes two bets back to him, either.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:21 AM
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The turn is a 2
I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:42 AM
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The turn is a 2
I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:49 AM
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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...

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fret, welcome back! I Dont think it matters against a villian is an idiot and even though we capped teh flop I think our fold equity against an idiot who 3bet the flop is zippo. if we think he is capable of bluffing a worse busted draw on the river then we can c/c with K high

in general, its not that wise to bluff/semibluff when we know he will call/raise isnt that smrt.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:52 AM
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The turn is a 2, I lead out and CO calls

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umm, given the flop action he, being an idiot, isnt folding any sort of made hand and you have K high [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]


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... and turn your hand face up if you check oop if a brick comes and you just capped the flop...

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True, however I'm wondering does it matter in this spot?

We are playing against a loooose semiaggro who just 3-bet raised flop. He probably isn't going to fold on the turn and chances are he's not going to fold on the river either.

Moreover, I think it is more likely he could raise costing us 1BB extra to see the river with K-high and a good draw.
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Old 11-28-2007, 09:09 PM
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Default Re: To cap or not to cap.

Thanks for the responses.

I didn't even think the turn lead would spark so much debate. I felt like the turn lead out was almost standard there after capping the flop.In this size of a pot, I don't think a raise hurts me much, and I wanted to continue building the pot for my draw.
My main goal in posting the rest of the hand was that I wanted to see if you think check/calling or bet/folding this river is a good move or not. I personally feel that the pot is big enough that we should use this line. My thought process behind this is that our opponent is on some sort of draw enough of the time that this pot cannot be folded here even with K high.
Do you agree or disagree ?
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