5/10 PS 5s7s btn

[hoho]

110bb i raise 5s7s 30$ in btn ,sb(bill ivey) call

flop 3s5hJs

i bet 40 he cr 170 i call

turn Qd

he bet 450

if a call isn't an option here with how much behind it is an option?(we have 450 if i call turn)

PS:sorry for the bad english

[Parlay Slow]

probably shove assuming he's not a total nit

[hoho]

and if a call is an option with how much it isn't an option

[ocklind]

You gotta 3-bet the flop, as played I think this is a fold. You dont get the proper odds, assuming he has a hand here.

[FireStorm]

As played fold. Shoving would be insanity, you get called every single time and are drawing very thin the times he has a set, QJ, or QsXs.

[winningfish]

Shoving would be more insane than insanity. He's not going to fold and whatever he has, you're beat.

[obiedman]

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Shoving would be more insane than insanity. He's not going to fold and whatever he has, you're beat.

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i heard bill ivey was a nit, too

[Colombo]

I think if you're gonna call the flop, you should shove the turn. Flop could also be a 3bet as others have said but I think that lets him get away from his bluffs too easy.

[Trivial]

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probably shove assuming he's not a total nit

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alas

[sauce123]

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probably shove assuming he's not a total nit

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alas

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its funny cause id 3bet commit/shove flop all day here, but as played turn is a fold