Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > General Poker Discussion > Poker Beats, Brags, and Variance
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 10-20-2007, 02:06 PM
mbpoker mbpoker is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 970
Default Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?

[ QUOTE ]
Dario is at the moment the most known player in Italy, and i think it works for stars to sign him .

[/ QUOTE ]

Bingo.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 10-20-2007, 02:14 PM
shipitkthx shipitkthx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 936
Default Re: Why is that Donk Dario Minieri sponsored?

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
His style is so high variance that he very well could be a donkey most of the time when his bluffs don't work, but the variance in large field donkaments is so ridiculously high that the chance of him ever getting a good enough sample to say if his style is optimal or even profitable is slim to 0. but lucky for him he ran good on a couple of donkaments and has the lack of a life to grind out that many FPPs so now he is sponsored and famous.

[/ QUOTE ]

FYP

Seriously are there still people who don't understand that this is the backstory of almost every TV or big donkament pro???

EDIT: I'll continue my rant, cuz this really gets under my skin. You are saying we shouldn't bash him because his high variance style looks bad sometimes. Your statement contradicts itself. If his style is that high variance it is just as likely that when he actually wins he is just running like god as it is likely that when he looks like a donk he's just running bad. Do you realize how many people use his style of blind aggression?? Do you realize the % of them that will never make a big final table? The % of them you will never hear about that play the WSOP or EPT the same way? How many big 5k-10k events are there a year? Less than 100? These players get the glory because when they run good their chipstacks tend to swing in a much more dramatic fashion. Is he a complete donk? Probably not. Does the fact that he was successful in a small sample of high variance events using an extremely high variance style make him a great player above being berated in BBV? Absolutely [censored] not.

[/ QUOTE ]
You seem to use variance as a crutch for everything that happens in a donkament. Win= lucky, Lose = unlucky. You talk as if these are new ideas, really you have to run good to win a huge field tourney? Jeez didn't notice that before.

There is still some skill involved and there is a difference between aggression and blind aggression. I havent seen Dario play enough to tell which he is, but people who say he is a donkey piss me off because they haven't seen enough of him either.

Its the same argument against anybody who does well in tournaments, everyone just says they are huge luckboxes. To a certain extent obviously someone like annette has to run good to win the WSOPE but does that make her an overaggressive donkey? Or is it jealousy that makes her that?

[/ QUOTE ]

I think we may actually agree with each other more than me realize. I'm not arguing that he is some huge donk. I agree that is an extremely rash statement. I also think that saying he is a great player is a rash statement. You are completely right in saying that you (or me, or anyone) hasn't seen enough to make that judgment. I think this is true for most young aggressive donkament players. I'm not saying every person who does well in donkaments is a huge luckbox. I'm saying that the level of variance involved in donkaments makes it impossible to say how good someone really is over these small samples. This doesn't just apply to Dario, it applies to everyone. My main argument against your original statement was you saying that because his style is high variance he can look like a donk at times but he must be doing something right. Variance is not a 1 way street. It is just as likely that his high variance style makes him look like a genius sometimes but he is doing a lot of things wrong. The fact is that I don't know which it is. But I think someone wanting to argue that he is just a lucky donk can have that point without it being jealousy and using the "high variance" defense does very little to disprove that argument.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.