standard line?

sh58 · #1 11-12-2007, 06:01 PM

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($244.28)
BB ($266.10)
Hero ($200)
MP ($293)
Button ($197)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $8, MP raises to $24, 3 folds, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($51) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $35, Hero calls $35.

Turn: ($121) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $80, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $121
Main Pot: $121, returned to MP.

villain is completely unknown. anyone play it any different?

sebbb · #2 11-12-2007, 06:04 PM

I play the same but it kinda sucks when you call this flop bet totally in the dark and OOP, hoping that the villain will check down the next two streets

stickdude · #3 11-12-2007, 06:07 PM

That's an odd c-bet size given how much he raised pre-flop. Still, I could fold the flop with a clean conscience. The King hits the standard 3-betting range pretty solidly.

JFsports · #4 11-12-2007, 06:08 PM

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That's an odd c-bet size given how much he raised pre-flop

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why do you think so?

sh58 · #5 11-12-2007, 06:11 PM

does it change your decision at all that he Cbet the flop really quickly. does that make his hand stronger or weaker?

Speedlimits · #6 11-12-2007, 06:16 PM

4bet

stickdude · #7 11-12-2007, 06:17 PM

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That's an odd c-bet size given how much he raised pre-flop

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why do you think so?

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I'd usually expect to see at least $40 here... Guess he isn't too much smaller than that.

JFsports · #8 11-12-2007, 06:20 PM

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That's an odd c-bet size given how much he raised pre-flop

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why do you think so?

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I'd usually expect to see at least $40 here... Guess he isn't too much smaller than that.

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yah just wondering why you thought so, 70% pot in 3bet pot is pretty big in general imo

Merlinius · #9 11-12-2007, 06:25 PM

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That's an odd c-bet size given how much he raised pre-flop. Still, I could fold the flop with a clean conscience. The King hits the standard 3-betting range pretty solidly.

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imo it is a very reasonable c-bet size which you see all the time.

i would fold on the flop. even if you are slightly ahead of his range at this point, your position is so bad that you can feel fine about folding. hoping the hand goes check/check check/check here a decent amount of the time is pretty optimistic imo.

pineapple888 · #10 11-12-2007, 07:00 PM

If you respect him enough to flat-call pre, just fold the flop. Unknowns are rarely aggro about 3-betting from MP, there's hardly any real hand you beat, and you have no prospect of improvement.