100r Large draw spot

Bond18 · #1 08-30-2007, 10:02 PM

Seems to me on flop that once theres THIS much action my outs to the 9/T are almost never good and my flush draw might not even be the best one out. But then, the odds are disgusting, so is this right?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t7145)
Hero (t12955)
UTG (t13095)
UTG+1 (t12870)
MP1 (t15980)
MP2 (t8343)
MP3 (t2985)
CO (t4190)
Button (t22325)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t1200, MP2 calls t1200, 1 fold, CO calls t1200, Button calls t1200, 1 fold, Hero calls t800.

Flop: (t5800) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t14755 (All-In), MP2 calls t7118 (All-In), CO calls t2965 (All-In), Button folds, Hero folds.

shaundeeb · #2 08-30-2007, 10:09 PM

def stick it in shaun deeb squeezecall.

Bond18 · #3 08-30-2007, 10:13 PM

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def stick it in shaun deeb squeezecall.

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Of course the head of degen gambling department would say that.

ZJ123 · #4 08-30-2007, 10:13 PM

i kinda want to call here, obv your T is no good, and if you win this you have a pretty sick stack. It also doesnt make much sense for anybody to have clubs unless its exactly KQcc, which is of course terrible.

shaundeeb · #5 08-30-2007, 10:15 PM

bond thing is for the sidepots you will play for your 9/10 outs may be good or your flush outs may be good. If they all went in for equal amounts I wouldn't mind a fold but with soo many diff pots whoever shows a higher FD could be one of the shorter stacks. Also there is only 1 combo of higher FD they can realisticly have with the 910JA accounted for and that's KQcc.

Bond18 · #6 08-30-2007, 10:21 PM

Good point shaun.

shaundeeb · #7 08-30-2007, 10:23 PM

yah I always forget to put things into writing and just post conclusions I wish I was more like LFTV.

Bond18 · #8 08-30-2007, 10:26 PM

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yah I always forget to put things into writing and just post conclusions I wish I was more like LFTV.

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Even more impressive was your use of punctuation.

plzleenowhammy · #9 08-30-2007, 10:31 PM

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bond thing is for the sidepots you will play for your 9/10 outs may be good or your flush outs may be good. If they all went in for equal amounts I wouldn't mind a fold but with soo many diff pots whoever shows a higher FD could be one of the shorter stacks. Also there is only 1 combo of higher FD they can realisticly have with the 910JA accounted for and that's KQcc.

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ur so much better at this game than i am that it depresses me

shaundeeb · #10 08-30-2007, 10:34 PM

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bond thing is for the sidepots you will play for your 9/10 outs may be good or your flush outs may be good. If they all went in for equal amounts I wouldn't mind a fold but with soo many diff pots whoever shows a higher FD could be one of the shorter stacks. Also there is only 1 combo of higher FD they can realisticly have with the 910JA accounted for and that's KQcc.

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ur so much better at this game than i am that it depresses me

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all the info is in HHs it's not hard to be like well he can't have a pair and a FD if he has a higher FD it's either K7cc or worse or Q7cc and worse which is rarely in any of their ranges.

The trick to anazling hands for me is think of hands to extract value from and do that, think of hands that are calling no matter what you do and ignore them( but remember he's calling 25% of the time cuz of these hands etc) and those hands that fold no matter what you do. Take it 1 step further how do you induce worse hands to play back at you and poss better hands to not. Think of a river block bet at all times that mentality is good to think of multiple hand stregths he can have and how to react optiomally to them. Then it's just a guestimation on what % he has each of those groups.