***Official 2007-2008 MLB Offseason Thread***

[wisehandpoker]

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Reed Johnson is definitely a better fielder, but Lind was good in 2007.

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As much as I wish Lind was good in the field, he isn't.

[kyleb]

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Reed Johnson is definitely a better fielder, but Lind was good in 2007.

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As much as I wish Lind was good in the field, he isn't.

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Okay, fielding metrics disagree with you, and I am more inclined to believe them than someone who has watched a few games and is probably cherry-picking.

[rwperu34]

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Reed Johnson is definitely a better fielder, but Lind was good in 2007.

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As much as I wish Lind was good in the field, he isn't.

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Okay, fielding metrics disagree with you, and I am more inclined to believe them than someone who has watched a few games and is probably cherry-picking.

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I'm too lazy to dig through my files, but as I recall, when Lind was coming up he was thought of as a guy who would hit but might not be able to hack it with the glove.

What I think is funny is, because fielding metrics said Lind had a good year in 2007, something that is debatable to begin with, people want to assume he's a good fielder. Same is going on in the Ryan Church discussion. Of course we know about this little thing called sample size, and 80 games or so is not enough for even the most reliable metrics. A good example of this would be to look at what the hitting metrics thought of Lind in 2007.

[kyleb]

All I know is that both PBP and Davenport translations like Lind in 2007 (and were netural in 2006), the only years that people would have seen him unless you guys go to a ton of minor league games that I don't know about.

It is possible to improve defensively, you know. Just because people thought he couldn't hack it doesn't mean he can't, and the only data we have on him shows that Lind is a average or plus fielder, so thinking that he is not a good fielder has pretty much no basis in reality at this point.

[rwperu34]

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It is possible to improve defensively, you know. Just because people thought he couldn't hack it doesn't mean he can't, and the only data we have on him shows that Lind is a average or plus fielder, so thinking that he is not a good fielder has pretty much no basis in reality at this point.


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That data point is suspect at best. I think the point is, Lind is all about projection at this point, both hitting and fielding. On his defense, I'd weigh the scouts at about 98% right now and the stats at about 2%. While it's possible he's improved, until I hear about it from baseball insiders or until he's amassed 500 games sample size, I'm going to assume that Lind is not a good fielder.

[Thremp]

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It is possible to improve defensively, you know. Just because people thought he couldn't hack it doesn't mean he can't, and the only data we have on him shows that Lind is a average or plus fielder, so thinking that he is not a good fielder has pretty much no basis in reality at this point.


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That data point is suspect at best. I think the point is, Lind is all about projection at this point, both hitting and fielding. On his defense, I'd weigh the scouts at about 98% right now and the stats at about 2%. While it's possible he's improved, until I hear about it from baseball insiders or until he's amassed 500 games sample size, I'm going to assume that Lind is not a good fielder.

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Yeah, but we're pretty sure you're like Aceshigh-lite so who [censored] cares what you think?

[Vyse]

Thremp treats people severely once he makes a judgment about them. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I wonder what references Thremp would come up for someone like me on his totem pole then.

[wisehandpoker]

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Reed Johnson is definitely a better fielder, but Lind was good in 2007.

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As much as I wish Lind was good in the field, he isn't.

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Okay, fielding metrics disagree with you, and I am more inclined to believe them than someone who has watched a few games and is probably cherry-picking.

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I think it's pretty much a unanimous consensus here in Toronto, but whatever.

[MikeyPatriot]

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I think it's pretty much a unanimous consensus here in Toronto, but whatever.

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People in Minnesota probably believe that Torii Hunter is still an elite defensive CF

[wisehandpoker]

Do you think Torontonians want Lind to suck in the same way Minnesotans want Torii to be good? You're comparing homerism to anti-homerism.