And if we're lost, we are lost together....

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oh, and check behind river, as you beat nothing that is calling a bet.

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What about betting to bluff?

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A bluff looks more believable if you didn't raise the turn, IMO.

[Stumpy]

Kramer,

Why? He checked a 2 heart flop and raised the 3rd heart turn?

The check on the flop with a 2 flush on a BU vs BB already doesn't look much like a FD, first of all. So given he is representing a lone heart on the river, I don't think he'd raise with it on the turn.

[curtains]

I'd usually bet flop, call turn, check river.

Don't think we get checkraised on that flop too often...more likely check called, which isn't such a big deal. If we do get checkraised I don't mind folding at all.

[Stumpy]

I don't see why he couldn't check behind hands that are purely a flush draw. This board could easily hit something the BB calls with.

But assuming you're right, what hands do a check/raise on the turn look like? And how much credit are you giving this guy?
If our opponent is smart enough to decide Woodguy has to bet 2 hearts on the flop, then he narrows him down to what on the turn?

[Bond18]

10 points for the hauntingly eloquent title.

[Beachman42]

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How can you tell a turn bet is a bluff lead?

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It will be a bluff a certain percentage of the time, no way to really tell, but checking behind can induce a bluff against certain players, especially when I check a dangerous board like this.

I check behind flops and raise turn leads both with and without hands, but usually don't check this flop (which is one of the reasons I posted it)

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I should have been more detailed in my question - isn't it WAY too early to be guessing at a bluff lead here? I agree that after sitting at the table for awhile you can, but here? I think its a tad FPS this early.

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As played, I check behind on the river.

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If you are in the BB spot, which hands are you leading on the river, which are you c/c and which are you c/f?

Thanks

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I'm squarely in the small ball court here unless I hold the nut flush or better. The line by both players doesn't suggest strength, so if BB is strong, he isn't likely to get paid off. I might block with a str8 - less than that, I'm check/calling or check folding.

[woodguy]

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I might block with a str8 - less than that, I'm check/calling or check folding.


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Which hands do you c/c and which do you c/f?

[woodguy]

I check behind on the river and he shows T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

After the hand I thought there were legitimate questions about all streets except PF so I thought I'd post it.

I still don't know what a range is that calls my turn raise and then check/folds the river, but I think its probably not wide enough to make a 1/3 pot bet profitable, but again, I'm not sure.

Cocktails?

[Mench]

If we bet the flop and get c/r what do people do from there? Say we bet 160 and get c/r to 440 or so which is reasonable, I really think continuing sucks.