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with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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If you have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] are you raising the river?

[vmacosta]

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Does he really open raise from EP w/5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]?

I 4 bet then call. I think he has KQ with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

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i've opened in EP with 53s a lot more times than i've bet/3bet a K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in this kind of spot.

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really? I've bet/3-bet with Kh here against quite a few online lags.

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did you call a 4bet?

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probably [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], but you still make a good point.

[andyfox]

I just call. He'l likely fold without the straight flush when you 4-bet. By calling, you can then show your ace, even if beat, and they'll all think what a wimp you are, and you can use that later on.

[tipperdog]

The answer is call and it's not close, assuming that villain is a "excellent" post-flop player as OP indicates. Incidentally, this is almost the exact situation Barry Tanenbaum described in a CP column called dangerous river raises way back when. I remember this article so well, because I was the student who submitted the hand!

Incidentally, BT's conclusion (after arguing you should call-down with the A-high flush) was:

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Yes, many of your opponents will make fun of you when you win the pot by simply showing down the nut flush, but you will still have made the proper play and do not need to educate them. Be glad they have the wrong impression of you at the poker table.


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[eviljeff]

what is he expecting you to call the river 3bet with?

[danzasmack]

I don't know this guy at all or anything but as far as "what is he expecting you to call the river 3bet with" i would be more inclined to wonder if he thinks he can get you to fold out a decent [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (i.e. bob is raise/folding to a 3-bet)

which is why i call.

[CamelZoo]

i must be amongst the fish that see more value in raising --> value gained raising (villain folds + villain calls w/worse) > value gained calling (hero wins maj of time, loses v rarely) + value lost raising (hero has to call a 5 bet when beat)

if this even makes sense

btw would the ppl who advocate raise, fold to 5 actually fold this in practice?

[Victor]

"value gained raising (villain folds"

realize there is no value gained if villain folds.