couple fr hands

[Trivial]

never played fullring but the game looked okay so i sat, interested in comments on these hands:

hand 1:

villain is sweetluvin, i've sat with them at nl2k sixmax i think they're about 20/12 but no real history. didn't bet the flop cause i felt my hand had good value but couldn't stand a raise despite the ample semi-bluffing opportunities available. on the turn i felt villain's small c/r didn't correlate with a made hand given the very drawy board, so i decided to call with the intention of showing down on any blank river. anyone prefer 3betting turn to $1650 or so since there are loads of bad river cards? as played we..?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($759.50)
MP1 ($1000)
MP2 ($1370)
CO ($4625)
Hero ($8650)
SB ($6345)
BB ($6247)
UTG ($6015)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $175</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $125.

Flop: ($375) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($375) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $299</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $640</font>, Hero calls $341.

River: ($1655) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1100</font>

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hand 2:

villain seems unremarkable nit, flop check standard with these stacks? should i be potting turn/river if i take this line? in six max i'm pretty sure i'd employ bet/bet/shove but i'm a little uneducated with regards the dynamics of full ring. we pitch to a raise on any street?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($7848)
BB ($6894)
UTG ($5000)
Hero ($16857)
MP1 ($4725)
MP2 ($4557)
MP3 ($5175)
CO ($5247)
Button ($4874.50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $175</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB calls $150, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($400) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $300</font>, SB calls $300.

River: ($1000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $900</font>

[True]

thoughts about betting like 300 on river in hand 2?

hand 1 i like as played and fold riv, I agree with your assumptions about turn play. The river is hard but the guy is probably nitty at full ring and I would imagine that he probably doesn't think you can have a flush here so can be :

A) betting river for value with a set
B) bluffing the scare card because you have to fold most of your range

I think both are actually legitimate because since he believes you aren't on a draw his turn c/r just has to try and get your weaker hands to pay off as that is your most likely range.

I would imagine that unless you think villain is strong he probably isn't strong enough for B to be close to A.

I don't really like 3-betting the turn and I still am not sure if we should call a river blank against an opponent that we are not sure of his tendencies and seems nittish (low pfr/vpip for 6-max probably correlates proportionately to fr)

[Trivial]

True, is your suggestion for the second hand designed to induce a raise or moreso to expand the range with which my opponent may call? I have never used underbets in spots like this but it seems like an interesting idea.

[Teh1337zor]

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True, is your suggestion for the second hand designed to induce a raise or moreso to expand the range with which my opponent may call? I have never used underbets in spots like this but it seems like an interesting idea.

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I think it accomplishes both

[True]

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True, is your suggestion for the second hand designed to induce a raise or moreso to expand the range with which my opponent may call? I have never used underbets in spots like this but it seems like an interesting idea.

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I think it accomplishes both

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[Trivial]

Guess I could have chosen a more appealing Subject title.
Bump one time.

[Teh1337zor]

not too late to edit

[True]

I think that both hands are kind of interestingly complex but look very simple / standard. I remember sometimes writing a response to peoples threads and then deleting it thinking that I could be way off on a simple situation. I was actually quite eager to hear other responses.