4/180 FT - Bet this river?

[STALLOWN3D]

Villain is 2p2. Is betting the river pretty much mandatory in this spot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t54875)
Button (t30229)
SB (t102435)
BB (t25075)
UTG (t13652)
MP (t43734)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t2400, BB calls t1800.

Flop: (t7825) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t7825) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t6000</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t16000</font>, SB calls t10000.

River: (t39825) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???

Final Pot: t39825

[erc007]

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Villain is 2p2. Is betting the river pretty much mandatory in this spot?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t54875)
Button (t30229)
SB (t102435)
BB (t25075)
UTG (t13652)
MP (t43734)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t3000</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t2400, BB calls t1800.

Flop: (t7825) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t7825) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t6000</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t16000</font>, SB calls t10000.

River: (t39825) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero ???

Final Pot: t39825

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What hands were u repping when you raised the turn? AQ should have c-bet this flop. Since his lead was almost pot-size, there's no need to raise KQ;QJ if he's semibluffing a FD or trying to rep a 3.

I don't see any value in betting river this thin here.

[bobbycharles]

Ick....I hate it when I do this.

Fold preflop
Bet Flop; if you have a read and can represent strength, fire a 3rd barrel on a ck raise or else fold.
As played fold turn.
On the river you are def. behind; can you get him to lay it down? What would he lay down that he's played this way. ck and muck and hope he doesn't look at the hand history.

[erc007]

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ck and muck and hope he doesn't look at the hand history.

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LOL...this can work in your favor too...

[levAA]

as already pointed out this is the place for a c-bet with both villains showing weakness and a good flop texture.

i also fold this preflop as you have a very healthy stack.

with the turn bet from villain this pot is gone, i'd fold.

[donquay]

I don't mind the pf raise since I like attacking the blinds and if anyone r/r it's easy enough to get away from.

I'd c-bet the flop and if I meet any resistance I'm done with the hand.

as played I check behind the river because I really don't know if he's folding

[Pokerfarian]

I don't mind preflop.
This flop is fairly ideal to cbet, it's likely to have missed opponents &amp; because your up against the blinds they're unlikely to have pocket pairs, so you're taking this down a lot.
Fold turn...if you really want to make a play raise more, you've called to make the pot 20K and fired only 10K more, if you'd have made it 16K more to a total of 22K he'd have much worse odds &amp; it looks like your committed so he pretty much has to make a decision for all his (effective) stack, which means he folds more hands &amp; you can give up very easily on river.
As played a river bet does work some of the time but my gut feeling is not enough of the time. Hard to work out what hands he's calling it with &amp; what he's folding.

[mflip]

I'm SB if that changes anything, and I think it does since him cbetting that flop is not going to work as often since I am capable of calling here to fire later. I really don't think it's a great flop to cbet being 3-way and so raggedy.