Shove here OK?

dividius · #1 08-17-2007, 12:12 AM

I've been playing LAG-tastic, running all over the table and showing down the best hand when it's made it that far. Have no reads on villain, but he's been there long enough to know the above. I put him on QJ or J10 when I shoved.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($47.50)
SB ($49.50)
Hero (BB) ($68.35)
UTG ($83)
UTG+1 ($55.20)
MP1 ($32.55)
MP2 ($49.60)
CO ($51.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.5, SB folds, Hero raises to $2, MP1 calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, MP1 raises to $8, Hero raises to $65.85.

shoxbb6 · #2 08-17-2007, 12:14 AM

Lead is better than a check/raise on the flop.
Turn is fine I think, but I don't play fullring.

mugatu668 · #3 08-17-2007, 12:18 AM

fine considering stack sizes
i don't play full ring though

dividius · #4 08-17-2007, 12:35 AM

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Lead is better than a check/raise on the flop.
Turn is fine I think, but I don't play fullring.

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Please explain why lead is better. I'm not being antagonistic BTW, I greatly appreciate sincere input from anyone I can get it from.

I considered leading, but my gut said "Go for the check raise," and I usually listen to Mr. Gut. Letting too many danger cards if everyone else checks? Or because I have a wild image? I figured I would get more value with a c/raise, cause it looks moreso like a steal from a wild donk IMO. I haven't really led at limp pots; I've been raising PF and then c-betting w/ anything, and everyone's been folding.

filsteal · #5 08-17-2007, 12:35 AM

Isn't QT a pretty big part of villain's range here? What am I missing?

oliverm · #6 08-17-2007, 12:55 AM

Whenever I see a min bet I automatically check for any draws on the board, so I would have included QT in his range.

I don't understand the push?

What hands does vilain raise us with on the turn that we beat, that he would not call our all in with?

Am I missing something?

dividius · #7 08-17-2007, 01:03 AM

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Isn't QT a pretty big part of villain's range here? What am I missing?

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It's in there, but not a "pretty big part". It's a real small part IMO. Always that possibility, but with my wild image, his range here is pretty wide, as is his calling range.

DaycareInferno · #8 08-17-2007, 01:06 AM

i don't think your image is really going to completely carry over into a 3way limped pot check/raise scenario. i mean, it helps, but its not really the same as if you had raised from late position or whatever. i think villain is going to show up with a pretty good hand here most of the time, or at least a draw to one.

fjbourne · #9 08-17-2007, 01:07 AM

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Isn't QT a pretty big part of villain's range here? What am I missing?

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It's in there, but not a "pretty big part". It's a real small part IMO. Always that possibility, but with my wild image, his range here is pretty wide, as is his calling range.

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Why is qj/j10 more likely then say q10s or kj here?

shoxbb6 · #10 08-17-2007, 01:10 AM

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Lead is better than a check/raise on the flop.
Turn is fine I think, but I don't play fullring.

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Please explain why lead is better. I'm not being antagonistic BTW, I greatly appreciate sincere input from anyone I can get it from.

I considered leading, but my gut said "Go for the check raise," and I usually listen to Mr. Gut. Letting too many danger cards if everyone else checks? Or because I have a wild image? I figured I would get more value with a c/raise, cause it looks moreso like a steal from a wild donk IMO. I haven't really led at limp pots; I've been raising PF and then c-betting w/ anything, and everyone's been folding.

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Because you have the best hand in a limped pot on a drawy board and you can't assume that either of the other two villains in the hand will bet. So lead the flop so you can build a pot and get value from your hand while also protecting it.