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Old 11-17-2007, 06:35 PM
JJack JJack is offline
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Default fold pocet KK after turn raise?


$0.50/$1.00

BB ($20.37) 30.8/15.4/1.57 - 52 hands
UTG+1 ($49.25) (Hero)


Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP3 calls, BB

calls,

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 6.25BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero

calls,

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 10.75BB )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

Final Pot: 13.0BB

Do you play it the same?
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Old 11-17-2007, 06:55 PM
Aaron W. Aaron W. is offline
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

I don't like to fold overpairs, especially to very aggressive villains. When he caps the flop and checks the turn, you've got to decide whether you are willing to show this down for 3 BB or 1 BB. For 1 BB, check behind and call a river bet, for 3 BB bet-call, call.
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Old 11-17-2007, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

I'd rather check behind the turn and call a bet on the river. After the flop cap, BB's turn check suggests he's getting really fancy.
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Old 11-17-2007, 07:54 PM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:07 PM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

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I think I would check/call the turn and check/call the river. I figured villain had AA, so I'd get to see the showdown cheaply. Would this be an acceptable play?

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We would have to be out of position for that.... so no.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

My bad, I am new...
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

Villain check raises you flop and turn? Suspicious….

Have you seen him do this with less then a set? I’ve seen hyper agg players who bet more the weaker they are.

Given you bet the turn call him down and get a read, and remember AQ is well within his range here.
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Old 11-18-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

If BB capped the flop, then I check behind on the turn, unless you are absolutely certain that he has K10.
Check turn, call river bet, bet river if checked to you.
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

At PF I put BB range at AQo+,AQs+,99+ becoust he is aggressive.

I stoved flop vesrsus him (after action at flop I assume he could have JJ+, AQs, AQo).

Board: 7s Qd Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.549% 52.55% 02.00% 13006 495.00 { JJ+, AQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 45.451% 43.45% 02.00% 10754 495.00 { KcKh }

If I will assume that MP3 has 4-5 outs redraw against me with hand like AK, Qx, Jx then when I will rase than I can make him fold hand that could draw profitably so 5 outs are like 10% equity until turn.
So I have 45.5% equity vs BB and I can kick out MP3 which has 10-15 equity so its worth to try to kick him right?

EDIT: I put my equity versus all villains

Board: 7s Qd Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.322% 46.35% 00.98% 112997 2379.50 { JJ+, AQs, AQo }
Hand 1: 35.364% 34.24% 01.12% 83479 2741.00 { KcKh }
Hand 2: 17.314% 16.95% 00.36% 41327 886.50 { AKs, QTs, JTs, AKo }

At flop I have 16:1 to call and If i decide raise instead of call then I will invest 17:1 so kick out MP3.
So I invest 1/18= 5% of pot to increace my equity about 10% so its ok to make 3bet at flop, right?
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Old 11-18-2007, 11:14 AM
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Default Re: fold pocet KK after turn raise?

yea
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